Hi Rob, On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 10:06 PM Rob Herring <robh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 09:42:50AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Add Device Tree bindings for a GPIO repeater, with optional translation > > of physical signal properties. This is useful for describing explicitly > > the presence of e.g. an inverter on a GPIO line, and was inspired by the > > non-YAML gpio-inverter bindings by Harish Jenny K N > > <harish_kandiga@xxxxxxxxxx>[1]. > > > > Note that this is different from a GPIO Nexus Node[2], which cannot do > > physical signal property translation. > > It can't? Why not? The point of the passthru mask is to not do > translation of flags, but without it you are always doing translation of > cells. Thanks for pushing me deeper into nexuses! You're right, you can map from one type to another. However, you cannot handle the "double inversion" of an ACTIVE_LOW signal with a physical inverter added: nexus: led-nexus { #gpio-cells = <2>; gpio-map = <0 0 &gpio2 19 GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW>, // inverted <1 0 &gpio2 20 GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH>, // noninverted <2 0 &gpio2 21 GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW>; // inverted gpio-map-mask = <3 0>; // default gpio-map-pass-thru = <0 0>; }; leds { compatible = "gpio-leds"; led6-inverted { gpios = <&nexus 0 GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH>; }; led7-noninverted { gpios = <&nexus 1 GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH>; }; led8-double-inverted { // FAILS: still inverted gpios = <&nexus 2 GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW>; }; }; It "works" if the last entry in gpio-map is changed to GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH. Still, the consumer would see the final translated polarity, and not the actual one it needs to program the consumer for. > > While an inverter can be described implicitly by exchanging the > > GPIO_ACTIVE_HIGH and GPIO_ACTIVE_LOW flags, this has its limitations. > > Each GPIO line has only a single GPIO_ACTIVE_* flag, but applies to both > > th provider and consumer sides: > > 1. The GPIO provider (controller) looks at the flags to know the > > polarity, so it can translate between logical (active/not active) > > and physical (high/low) signal levels. > > 2. While the signal polarity is usually fixed on the GPIO consumer > > side (e.g. an LED is tied to either the supply voltage or GND), > > it may be configurable on some devices, and both sides need to > > agree. Hence the GPIO_ACTIVE_* flag as seen by the consumer must > > match the actual polarity. > > There exists a similar issue with interrupt flags, where both the > > interrupt controller and the device generating the interrupt need > > to agree, which breaks in the presence of a physical inverter not > > described in DT (see e.g. [3]). > > Adding an inverted flag as I've suggested would also solve this issue. As per your suggestion in "Re: [PATCH V4 2/2] gpio: inverter: document the inverter bindings"? https://lore.kernel.org/linux-devicetree/CAL_JsqLp___2O-naU+2PPQy0QmJX6+aN3hByz-OB9+qFvWgN9Q@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ Oh, now I understand. I was misguided by Harish' interpretation https://lore.kernel.org/linux-devicetree/dde73334-a26d-b53f-6b97-4101c1cdc185@xxxxxxxxxx/ which assumed an "inverted" property, e.g. inverted = /bits/ 8 <0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0>; But you actually meant a new GPIO_INVERTED flag, to be ORed into the 2nd cell of a GPIO specifier? I.e. add to include/dt-bindings/gpio/gpio.h" /* Bit 6 expresses the presence of a physical inverter */ #define GPIO_INVERTED 64 We need to be very careful in defining to which side the GPIO_ACTIVE_* applies to (consumer?), and which side the GPIO_INVERTED flag (provider?). Still, this doesn't help if e.g. a FET is used instead of a push-pull inverter, as the former needs translation of other flags (which the nexus can do, the caveats above still applies, though). Same for adding IRQ_TYPE_INVERTED. Related issue: how to handle physical inverters on SPI chip select lines, if the SPI slave can be configured for both polarities? Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds