Hi Sascha,
On Monday 31 March 2014 10:32:10 Sascha Hauer wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 05:44:17PM +0100, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > On Thursday 27 March 2014 15:47:12 Sascha Hauer wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 03:08:10PM +0100, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > > > That's clearer indeed. Can the parents and rates depend on the board,
> > > > or on the SoC only ? We might be getting dangerously close to
> > > > specifying platform configuration instead of describing the hardware.
> > > > A real example might be nice to support the discussion.
> > >
> > > This patch comes just at the right time. This is what I do with it:
> > >
> > > #define cko1_sel 57
> > > #define pll4_audio_div 203
> > > #define pll4_audio 173
> > > #define ssi3_sel 47
> > >
> > > &clks {
> > > assigned-clocks {
> > > clocks = <&clks cko1_sel>, <&clks ssi3_sel>, <&clks pll4_audio>;
> > > clock-parents = <&clks pll4_audio_div>, <&clks pll4_audio_div>,
<0>;
> > > clock-rates = <0>, <0>, <786432000>;
> > > };
> > > };
> > >
> > > cko1_sel is a clock that can be routed out of the SoC. In my case it is
> > > connected the sysclk of an external Audio Codec. ssi3_sel drives my SoC
> > > internal I2S unit which I use in master mode. The above makes sure that
> > > the I2S unit and the the external codec both get their clock from the
> > > audio PLL. The audio PLL is configured to a rate of 786432000Hz which
> > > is an exact multiple of the desired audio clock.
> >
> > Thank you for the example.
> >
> > Are the cko1_sel and ssi3_sel used only by the external audio codec and
> > internal I2S unit respectively ? If so, it might make sense to move the
> > configuration of their parent to the audio codec and I2S unit DT nodes.
> > However, grouping the parent configuration and the pll4 rate configuration
> > in a single place makes sense as well. Guidelines are probably needed.
>
> I didn't bother much to find the right place for the nodes. It indeed might
> make sense to put them under the I2S unit and the codec. However, the clock-
> rate is a shared property between the I2S unit and the codec which probably
> should better be placed under the block which provides the clocks.
>
> > I get a slight feeling of uneasiness about this, probably because we're at
> > the boundary between hardware description and system configuration.
> > Encoding in DT that "for this particular board this particular clock must
> > be configured this particular way" sounds fine to me, but we need to make
> > sure it won't turn to software-driven rather than hardware-driven use
> > case descriptions.
>
> I agree this is in the grey area between hardware and software description.
> At least on i.MX it happens with audio and video that totally unrelated
> units share a clock. Often it's next to impossible to find an algorithm that
> configures the clocks correctly without the help of hardcoded assumptions
> about parents and rates. I find specifying this in the devicetree much more
> convenient than writing board specific code each time.
I totally agree with you. The approach makes sense, I just wanted to point out
that this is a grey area and that we should be aware of it when designing the
DT bindings.
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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