On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:05:11 +1000
NeilBrown <neilb@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27 2018, Boris Brezillon wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:33:13 -0700
> > Brian Norris <computersforpeace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Commit 59b356ffd0b0 ("mtd: m25p80: restore the status of SPI flash when
> >> exiting") is the latest from a long history of attempts to add reboot
> >> handling to handle stateful addressing modes on SPI flash. Some prior
> >> mostly-related discussions:
> >>
> >> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2013-March/046343.html
> >> [PATCH 1/3] mtd: m25p80: utilize dedicated 4-byte addressing commands
> >>
> >> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/barebox/2014-September/020682.html
> >> [RFC] MTD m25p80 3-byte addressing and boot problem
> >>
> >> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2015-February/057683.html
> >> [PATCH 2/2] m25p80: if supported put chip to deep power down if not used
> >>
> >> Previously, attempts to add reboot-time software reset handling were
> >> rejected, but the latest attempt was not.
> >>
> >> Quick summary of the problem:
> >> Some systems (e.g., boot ROM or bootloader) assume that they can read
> >> initial boot code from their SPI flash using 3-byte addressing. If the
> >> flash is left in 4-byte mode after reset, these systems won't boot. The
> >> above patch provided a shutdown/remove hook to attempt to reset the
> >> addressing mode before we reboot. Notably, this patch misses out on
> >> huge classes of unexpected reboots (e.g., crashes, watchdog resets).
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, it is essentially impossible to solve this problem 100%:
> >> if your system doesn't know how to reset the SPI flash to power-on
> >> defaults at initialization time, no amount of software can really rescue
> >> you -- there will always be a chance of some unexpected reset that
> >> leaves your flash in an addressing mode that your boot sequence didn't
> >> expect.
> >>
> >> While it is not directly harmful to perform hacks like the
> >> aforementioned commit on all 4-byte addressing flash, a
> >> properly-designed system should not need the hack -- and in fact,
> >> providing this hack may mask the fact that a given system is indeed
> >> broken. So this patch attempts to apply this unsound hack more narrowly,
> >> providing a strong suggestion to developers and system designers that
> >> this is truly a hack. With luck, system designers can catch their errors
> >> early on in their development cycle, rather than applying this hack long
> >> term. But apparently enough systems are out in the wild that we still
> >> have to provide this hack.
> >>
> >> Document a new device tree property to denote systems that do not have a
> >> proper hardware (or software) reset mechanism, and apply the hack (with
> >> a loud warning) only in this case.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Brian Norris <computersforpeace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> ---
> >> Note that I intentionall didn't split the documentation patch. It seems
> >> clearer to do these together IMO, but if it's *really* important to
> >> someone...I can resend
> >
> > I'm fine with that.
> >
> > I'll leave Neil some time to review/test/comment on the patch before
> > queuing it, but it looks good to me.
>
> Thanks.
> I can confirm that if I apply this patch, my system won't reboot
> properly (as expected), and if I then add
>
> broken-flash-reset;
>
> to the jedec,spi-nor device, it starts functioning correctly again.
>
> I don't like the pejorative "broken", and it also suggests that a thing
> used to work, but something happened to break it - this is not
> accurate.
> I would prefer something like "reset-not-connected" which is an accurate
> description of the state of the hardware.
>
> I also think that having a WARN_ON is an over-reaction. Certainly a
> warning could be appropriate, but just one pr_warn() should be enough.
> The "problem" is unlikely in practice, and loudly warning people that an
> asteroid might kill them isn't particularly helpful.
>
> I genuinely think that if the system fails to reboot, then Linux is at
> fault. I accept that changing Linux to be completely robust might be
> more trouble than it is worth, but I don't accept that it is impossible.
>
> But I don't intend to fight either of these battles.
Does that mean you're accepting this change? Brian, any comment on what
Neil said?
To be honest, I hate being in the middle of this discussion without
having been involved in the first decision to accept such workarounds.
I keep thinking that making boards that do not have reset properly
wired less likely to fail rebooting is a wise decision, but I also
agree with Brian when he says we should inform people that their design
is unreliable.
The main problem I see here, is that adding this prop won't help people
figuring out what is wrong with their design, it will just help them
workaround the problem when they find out, and it might already be to
late to fix the HW design. But maybe it's not what we're trying to do
here. Maybe we just want to warn users that rebooting such boards is a
risky procedure.
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