On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Frank Rowand <frowand.list@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 01/15/18 12:29, Laurent Pinchart wrote: >> Hi Frank, >> >> On Monday, 15 January 2018 22:12:33 EET Frank Rowand wrote: >>> On 01/15/18 11:22, Laurent Pinchart wrote: >>>> On Monday, 15 January 2018 21:12:44 EET Frank Rowand wrote: >>>>> On 01/15/18 09:09, Rob Herring wrote: >>>>>> +Frank >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote: >>>>>>> The internal LVDS encoders now have their own DT bindings. Before >>>>>>> switching the driver infrastructure to those new bindings, implement >>>>>>> backward-compatibility through live DT patching. >>>>>> >>>>>> Uhh, we just got rid of TI's patching and now adding this one. I guess >>> >>> Let me first answer the question that you ask later. You ask "Can we work >>> on this together to find a solution that would suit us both ?" >>> >>> My answer to that is emphatically YES. I will definitely work with you to >>> try to find a good solution. >> >> \o/ >> >>>>> Please no. What we just got rid of was making it difficult for me to >>>>> make changes to the overlay infrastructure. There are issues with >>>>> overlays that need to be fixed before overlays become really usable. >>>>> I am about to propose the next change, which involves removing a >>>>> chunk of code that I will not be able to remove if this patch is >>>>> accepted (the proposal is awaiting me collecting some data about >>>>> the impact of the change, which I expect to complete this week). >>> >>> I should have thought just a little bit more before I hit send. The >>> situation is even worse than I wrote. One of the next steps (in >>> addition to what I wrote about above) is to change the overlay apply >>> function to accept a flattened device tree (FDT), not an expanded >>> device tree. In this changed model, the unflattened overlay is >>> not available to be modified before it is applied. >> >> That makes sense if we consider overlays to be immutable objects that we apply >> without offering a way to modify them. I won't challenge that API decision, as >> my use of an overlay here is a bit of a hack indeed. >> >>> It is important for the devicetree infrastructure to have ownership >>> of the FDT that is used to create the unflattened tree. (Notice >>> that in the proposed patch, rcar_du_of_get_overlay() follows the >>> TI example of doing a kmemdup of the blob (FDT), then uses the >>> copy for the unflatten. The kmemdup() in this case is to create >>> a persistent copy of the FDT.) The driver having ownership of >>> this copy, and having the ability to free it is one of the many >>> problems with the current overlay implementation. >> >> Yes, that's something I've identified as well. Lots of work has been done to >> clean up the OF core and we're clearly not done yet. I'm happy to see all the >> improvements you're working on. >> >>>>> Can you please handle both the old and new bindings through driver >>>>> code instead? >>>> >>>> I could, but it would be pointless. The point here is to allow cleanups in >>>> the driver. The LVDS encoder handling code is very intrusive in its >>>> current form and I need to get rid of it. There would be zero point in >>>> moving to the new infrastructure, as the main point is to get rid of the >>>> old code which prevents moving forward. As a consequence that would block >>>> new boards from receiving proper upstream support. An easy option is to >>>> break backward compatibility. I'm personally fine with that, but I assume >>>> other people would complain :-) >>>> >>>> I can, on the other hand, work with you to see how live DT patching could >>>> be implemented in this driver without blocking your code. When developing >>>> this patch series I start by patching the device tree manually without >>>> relying on overlays at all, but got blocked by the fact that I need to >>>> allocate phandles for new nodes I create. If there was an API to allocate >>>> an unused phandle I could avoid using the overlay infrastructure at all. >>>> Or there could be other >>> >>> It seems reasonable to provide a way to autogenerate a phandle (if >>> requested) by the devicetree code that creates a new node. Were you using >>> a function from drivers/of/dynamic.c to create the node? >> >> Not to allocate the node, no. I allocated the device_node structure manually >> with kzalloc(), and inserted it in the device tree with of_attach_node(). Is >> that the right approach ? I haven't been able to test the code as I stopped >> when I realized I couldn't allocate phandles. >> >>>> options I'm not thinking of as I don't know what the changes you're >>>> working on are. Can we work on this together to find a solution that >>>> would suit us both ? >>> >>> Again, yes, I would be glad to work with you on this. >> >> How would you like to proceed ? I can try the manual approach again but need >> information about how I could cleanly implement phandle allocation. I will >> likely then run into other issues for which I might need help. > > Here are my first thoughts, based on 4.15-rc7: > > Question to Rob and Frank: should of_attach_node() be called directly, or > should it be called indirectly by creating a change set that adds the node? > > Frank's off the cuff answer (but would like to think more about it): since > the driver is modifying its own devicetree data, and thus no other entity > needs to be notified about the changes, there is no need to add the complexity > of using a change set. There's exactly 2 users outside of the DT core. That's generally a sign of an API I'd like to make private. > The following is how of_attach_node() could be modified to dynamically create > a phandle on request. How would this work for all the phandle references that need to be fixed up? Rob -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe devicetree" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
