On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 02/12/16 14:32, Icenowy Zheng wrote:
>>
>>
>> 02.12.2016, 22:30, "Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 02-12-16 15:22, Icenowy Zheng wrote:
>>>> 01.12.2016, 17:36, "Maxime Ripard" <maxime.ripard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:29:07AM +0000, André Przywara wrote:
>>>>>> > Something more interesting happened.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Xunlong made a add-on board for Orange Pi Zero, which exposes the
>>>>>> > two USB Controllers exported at expansion bus as USB Type-A
>>>>>> > connectors.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Also it exposes a analog A/V jack and a microphone.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Should I enable {e,o}hci{2.3} in the device tree?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually we should do this regardless of this extension board. The USB
>>>>>> pins are not multiplexed and are exposed on user accessible pins (just
>>>>>> not soldered, but that's a detail), so I think they qualify for DT
>>>>>> enablement. And even if a user can't use them, it doesn't hurt to have
>>>>>> them (since they are not multiplexed).
>>>>>
>>>>> My main concern about this is that we'll leave regulators enabled by
>>>>> default, for a minority of users. And that minority will prevent to do
>>>>> a proper power management when the times come since we'll have to keep
>>>>> that behaviour forever.
>>>>
>>>> I think these users can add a 'fdt set /xxx/xxx status "disabled" ' .
>>>
>>> I don't think that will be necessary I'm pretty sure these extra usb
>>> ports do not have a regulator for the Vbus, they just hook directly
>>> to the 5V rail, can someone with a schematic check ?
>>
>> We seems to have still no schematics for the add-on board.
>
> From looking at the picture of that expansion board on the Aliexpress
> page and chasing the tracks, there is clearly no voltage regulator on
> there, it's just passive components. The 5V pin from the headers is
> routed forth and back between the two layers via some vias directly to
> the 5V pins of the USB sockets.
>
>> But something is sure is that there's no any regulator-related pins
>> on the add-on pinout. There's only USB DM and DP pins.
>>
>> So the Vbus must be directly connected to +5V.
>
> So yes, it is.
>
> But I think the question is moot anyways, since we don't provide DT
> support for that add-on board at that point anyways.
> One could imagine another board, though, which has regulators switched
> by GPIOs, but that would be their problem and they would have regulators
> specified in their specific DT snippet, then.
>
> So to summarize:
> - For that specific Orange Pi Zero board which we discuss the DT for
> there is no regulator support for the additional USB ports. Thus nothing
> we could turn off to save power.
> - A user could just take these USB brackets with pin headers that are so
> common in PCs to connect additional USB ports to the back of the box.
> One just needs to re-sort the pins, which is a matter of a minute.
> - As long as we don't provide any easy way of handling DT changes, we
> should enable the USB ports for the sake of the users of either those
> brackets or the expansion board. Any more sophisticated USB expansion
> board with regulators would need to amend the DT anyway.
>
> Does that make sense?
Sounds good to me.
ChenYu
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