Hi Thierry,
On Friday 01 November 2013 11:13:47 Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 08:37:23AM +0900, Jingoo Han wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:02 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 05:34:45PM +0200, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-
VILLARD wrote:
> > > > On 09:23 Tue 22 Oct , Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 06:58:33AM +0200, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-
VILLARD wrote:
> > > > > > On 11:13 Mon 21 Oct , Denis Carikli wrote:
> > > > > > > Cc: Richard Purdie <rpurdie@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Jingoo Han <jg1.han@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Rob Herring <rob.herring@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: devicetree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Cc: Sascha Hauer <kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: linux-arm-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Cc: Lothar Waßmann <LW@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Cc: Eric Bénard <eric@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Denis Carikli <denis@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > ChangeLog v3->v4:
> > > > > > > - The default-brightness property is now optional, it defaults
> > > > > > > to 1 if not set.> > > > >
> > > > > > by default we set OFF not ON
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do not actiate driver or properti by default you can not known to
> > > > > > consequence on the hw
> > > > >
> > > > > Turning on a backlight by default is what pretty much every
> > > > > backlight driver does. I personally think that's the wrong default,
> > > > > I even tried to get some discussion started recently about how we
> > > > > could change this. However, given that this has been the case for
> > > > > possibly as long as the subsystem has existed, suddenly changing it
> > > > > might cause quite a few of our users to boot the new kernel and not
> > > > > see their display come up. As with any other ABI, this isn't
> > > > > something we can just change without a very good migration path.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry but the blacklight descibe in DT have nothing to do with the
> > > > common pratice that the current driver have today
> > >
> > > That's not at all what I said. What I said was that the majority of
> > > backlight drivers currently default to turning the backlight on when
> > > probed. Therefore I think it would be consistent if this driver did the
> > > same.
> > >
> > > I also said that I don't think it's a very good default, but at the same
> > > time we can't just go and change the default behaviour at will because
> > > people may rely on it.
> >
> > I agree with your opinion.
> > But, I can't decide how to change it.
>
> One solution that Stephen proposed was to make all DT-based setups use a
> new default (off). An advantage of that is that such setups are still
> fairly actively being worked on, so we can probably get early adopters
> to cope with the new default.
>
> Looking through some DTS files it seems that many use the pwm-backlight
> driver. So if we can get some concensus from all the users that changing
> the default would be okay, then I think we could reasonably change it.
>
> Another solution perhaps would be to add a property to DT which encodes
> the default state of the backlight on boot. This used to be impossible
> because the general concensus was that DT should describe hardware only
> and not software policy. During the kernel summit this requirement was
> somewhat relaxed and it should now be okay to describe system
> configuration data, and I think this would be a good match. If the
> system is designed to keep the backlight off by default because some
> other component (display panel driver) is meant to turn it on later,
> that's system configuration data, right?
>
> Perhaps a boolean property could be used:
>
> backlight {
> compatible = "pwm-backlight";
>
> ...
>
> backlight-default-off;
> };
>
> > > > put on by default if wrong specially without the property define. Even
> > > > put it on by default it wrong as the bootloader may have set it
> > > > already for splash screen and to avoid glitch the drivers need to
> > > > detect this.
> > >
> > > I agree that would be preferable, but I don't know of any way to detect
> > > what value the bootloader set a GPIO to. The GPIO API requires that you
> > > call gpio_direction_output(), and that requires a value parameter which
> > > will be used as the output level of the GPIO.
> >
> > Jean-Christophe's point is right.
> >
> > We may need to discuss 'the way to detect what value the bootloader
> > set a GPIO to'.
>
> Since some GPIO hardware simply can't do it, I guess we could resolve to
> passing such information via DT. That obviously won't work for non-DT
> setups, but I guess that's something we could live with.
For what it's worth, the pcf857x GPIO controllers suffer from this problem,
and the solution was to use a DT property to specify the initial GPIOs state.
The driver can thus implement gpio_get_value() properly and the hardware
limitation is hidden from the clients.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/21/105
> One possibility would be to supplement the backlight-default-off property
> with another property (backlight-boot-on) that can be passed on to the
> kernel from the bootloader to signal that it has turned the backlight on.
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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