On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 01:09:31PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 08:19:10AM +0100, Mike Turquette wrote: > > Quoting Tomasz Figa (2013-08-21 14:34:55) > > > On Wednesday 21 of August 2013 09:50:15 Mark Rutland wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 01:06:25AM +0100, Mike Turquette wrote: > > > > > Quoting Mark Rutland (2013-08-19 02:35:43) > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 04:17:18PM +0100, Tomasz Figa wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday 17 of August 2013 16:53:16 Sascha Hauer wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 02:28:04PM +0200, Tomasz Figa wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Also I would make this option required. Use a dummy > > > > > > > > > > > > clock for > > > > > > > > > > > > mux > > > > > > > > > > > > inputs that are grounded for a specific SoC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some clocks are not from CCM and we haven't defined in > > > > > > > > > > > imx6q-clk.txt, > > > > > > > > > > > so in most cases we can't provide a phandle for them, eg: > > > > > > > > > > > spdif_ext. > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's a bit hard to force it to be 'required'. An > > > > > > > > > > > 'optional' > > > > > > > > > > > looks more flexible to me and a default one is ensured > > > > > > > > > > > even if > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <&clks 0> is the dummy clock. This can be used for all input > > > > > > > > > > clocks > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > defined by the SoC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where does this assumption come from? Is it documented > > > > > > > > > anywhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is how all i.MX clock bindings currently are. See > > > > > > > > Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/imx*-clock.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess we need some discussion on dummy clocks vs skipped clocks. > > > > > > > I think we want some consistency on this, don't we? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we really need a dummy clock, then we might also want a generic > > > > > > > way to specify it. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we actually mean by a "dummy clock"? We already have > > > > > > bindings > > > > > > for "fixed-clock" and co friends describe relatively simple > > > > > > preconfigured clocks. > > > > > > > > > > Some platforms have a fake clock which defines noops callbacks and > > > > > basically doesn't do anything. This is analogous to the dummy > > > > > regulator > > > > > implementation. A central one could be registered by the clock core, > > > > > as > > > > > is done by the regulator core. > > > > > > > > When you say some platforms, you presumably mean the platform code in > > > > Linux? A dummy clock sounds like a completely Linux-specific abstraction > > > > rather than a description of the hardware, and I don't see why we need > > > > that in the DT: > > > > > > > > * If a clock is wired up and running (as presumably the dummy clock is), > > > > then surely it's a fixed-clock (it's running, we and we have no control > > > > over it, but we presumably know its rate) and can be described as such? > > > > > > > > * If no clock is wired up, then we should be able to describe that. If a > > > > driver believes that a clock is required when it isn't (for some level > > > > of functionality), then that driver should be fixed up to support the > > > > clock as being optional. > > > > > > > > Am I missing something? > > > > > > I second that. > > > > > > Moreover, I don't think that device tree should deal with dummy anything. > > > It should be able to describe hardware that is available on given system, > > > not list what hardware is not available. > > > > I wasn't clear. The dummy clock IS a completely Linux-specific > > abstraction. > > > > I'm not advocating a dummy clock in DT. I am advocating consolidation of > > the implementation of a clock that does nothing into the clock core. > > This code could easily live in drivers/clk/clk.c instead of having > > everyone open-code it. > > > > As far as specifying a dummy clock in DT? I dunno. DT should describe > > real hardware so there isn't much use for a dummy clock. > > > Sorry, I misunderstood. Good to hear we're on the same page :) > > > > > I'm guessing one of the reasons for such a clock are drivers do not > > honor the clk.h api and they freak out when clk_get gives them a NULL > > pointer? > > I'm not sure. Sascha, could you shed some light on the matter? The original reason introducing the dummy clocks in the i.MX dtbs was to provide devices a clock which the driver requests but is not software controllable. We often have the case where the same devices are on several SoCs, but not on all of them all clocks have a bit to en/disable them. Anyway, to accomplish this we don't need dummy clocks. We can just describe the real clocks. BTW with the S/PDIF core on which not all mux inputs are connected to actual clocks we could also describe the unconnected inputs as ground clocks with rate 0. This way we describe something which is really there instead of dummy clocks ;) Background to why it might be a good idea to connect a ground clock to the unconnected input pins is that a driver has a chance to successfully grab all clocks. Otherwise how does the driver distinguish between an unconnected and an erroneous clock? Sascha -- Pengutronix e.K. | | Industrial Linux Solutions | http://www.pengutronix.de/ | Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0 | Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686 | Fax: +49-5121-206917-5555 | -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe devicetree" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
