Hi David,
On Thu, 2017-11-09 at 17:48 +1100, David Gibson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 02:14:06PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Pantelis Antoniou
> > <pantelis.antoniou@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Hi Grant,
> > >
> > > Mostly agree, some notes below.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2017-11-02 at 16:44 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > >> Hi Pantelis and Rob,
> > >>
> > >> After the workshop next week, I'm trying to capture the direction
> > >> we're going for the schema format. Roughly I think we're aiming
> > >> towards:
> > >>
> > >> - Schema files to be written in YAML
> > >> - DT files shall remain written in DTS for the foreseeable future.
> > >> YAML will be treated as an intermediary format
> > >> - That said, we'll try to make design decisions that allow YAML to
> > >> be used as a source format.
> > >> - All schema files and yaml-encoded-dt files must be parsable by stock
> > >> YAML parsers
> > >> - Schema files to use the jsonschema vocabulary
> > >> - (jsonschema assumes json files, but YAML is a superset so this will be okay)
> > >> - Extended to add vocabulary for DT concepts (ignored by stock validators)
> > >> - C-like expressions as used in Pantelis' yamldt could be added in this way
> > >> - Need to write a jsonschema "metaschema" do define DT specific extensions
> > >> - metaschema will be used to validate format of schema files
> > >> - Existing tools can confirm is schema files are in the right format.
> > >> - will make review a lot easier.
> > >>
> > >> The yaml encoding produced by yamldt is a good start, but some changes
> > >> need to be made from the current code to be workable:
> > >> - The redefinition of the anchor/alias syntax needs to be dropped.
> > >> - We need a labels/reference syntax instead.
> > >> - I'm using a $labels property to contain a list of labels which is
> > >> working for me, but I'm open to other suggestions
> > >
> > > I'm working on supporting just that. Should be ready for testing in a
> > > couple of days. Do note that I think we should keep the old '*' usage
> > > for supporting the binding files that are YAML.
> >
> > Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean allowing native YAML
> > anchors/aliases in binding files to reduce duplication? If so, I think
> > that should be discouraged in favour of jsonschema's native $ref
> > keyword for referencing other nodes. It's not quite as expressive as
> > anchors/alias, but it is portable for anyone who needs to transcode
> > into strict JSON.
>
> Yeah, I'm not sure what's meant here either. I think the anchor alias
> syntax should be supported in the standard YAML way, with the alias
> expanding to the full object referenced. It doesn't help us for
> phandle/path references, but it's useful in its own right.
>
> Note that the problem with using alias syntax for references is purely
> on the alias side. I don't see a reason we can't use standard YAML
> anchor syntax then something else to construct a reference to that
> anchor.
>
Yes, that make sense to keep both IMO.
The '*' as the expanding version, and the '$' as the non-expanding (like
DT uses).
> The $labels magic property is pretty yucky, it'd be good to avoid it
> if we can.
>
I'm not a big fond of it either. However if you have more than one label
in a node it's cleaner than re-declaring the same name node as empty
with the additional label.
If one was to expand YAML, there's no significant problem with allowing
multiple label definitions instead of a single one.
> > >> - A YAML style !phandle or !path type definition would work for
> > >> parsing references.
> > >
> > > !phandle is a bad name IMO. It assumes that the implementation is going
> > > to always be a cell integer containing a phandle. I think !ref is
> > > better.
>
> Uhh.. I don't understand your point here. To output something the
> kernel will understand an integer phandle is exactly what the
> reference needs to expand to.
>
> I'm dubious about changing that implementation, but even if we did
> we'd still need a way to generate the current style for
> compatibility. So !phandle or !phandlerref (to match the !pathref I
> think you already have) seems like a good name to me.
>
My point is that this is a reference, that it's encoded as an integer
for the DTB output option is an implementation detail.
> > Sure, I'm fine with that
> >
> > > Note that we must come with a way to encode types in JSON, since
> > > they are not natively supported.
> >
> > Agreed.
>
> I thought the YAML spec had some guidelines for flattening YAML to
> JSON.
>
It does flatten the content. The type information is thrown away.
Anyway, I've come up with a relatively simple (yet a bit ugly) way.
foo: !int16 10
can be transcribed to JSON type preserving format as
foo: [ "\f!int16", 10 ]
A knowledgeable parser can deduce that the sequence corresponds to the
original source.
> > >> - At the top level, the yaml-encoded-dt needs to be structured as a
> > >> list, not a map.
> > >> - Using a list will properly accounts for how multiple top level
> > >> trees are overlayed to create the final tree.
> > >
> > >
> > > This is true only for non-resolved files. Resolved files are going to
> > > be guaranteed a map. Does this cause problems for your validator?
> >
> > Make the resolved file a list with only one entry at the top level,
> > then the problem goes away.
> >
> > Regardless, I'm finding that the validator needs to walk the tree(s)
> > and be able to apply a binding at any level, so driver bindings won't
> > be affected by the structure at the top level. Board and SoC bindings
> > might.
> >
> > >> - I'm using a $path property to encode the path of each top level
> > >> node. Again, I'm open to suggestions for a different approach
> > >>
> > >
> > > A bare scalar that starts with / can always be deduced to be a path.
> >
> > I don't understand what you mean. That scalar still needs to be
> > encoded in some way.
> >
> > > Can you share some examples about your usage?
> >
> > Consider an unresolved tree that has successive trees applied to
> > different levels:
> >
> > / { ... };
> > &etm0 { ... };
> > &etm1 { ... };
> > / { ... };
> > /aliases { ... };
> >
> > To transcode this into YAML the path/reference needs to be stored
> > somewhere. As already discussed, it cannot be a map because keys can
> > appear more than once and order of application matters, so it must be
> > a list. Some possible options for storing the path/reference in the
> > array structure are:
>
> Seems to me you want a type-tagged map for each overlay component,
> something like
>
> !overlayfragment {
> target-label = "etm0";
> content = { /* the actual nodes */ };
> }
>
> >
> > Store the path/tree pair as a tuple (an array of arrays)
> > - [ / , {...} ]
> > - [ &etm0, {...} ]
> > - [ &etm1 , {...} ]
> > - [ / , {...} ]
> > - [ /aliases , {...} ]
>
> Works for now, but limited if we ever need more metadata for an
> overlay/fragment.
>
> > Or it could be stored as a special property in the node, something
> > that doesn't collide with child/property names. An array of maps:
> >
> > - $path: "/"
> > ...
> > - $path: "&etm0"
> > ...
> > - $path: "&etm1"
> > ...
> > - $path: "/"
> > ...
> > - $path: "/aliases"
> > ...
> >
> > Personally, I prefer embedding the path right into the node because it
> > drops a level of nesting.
>
> I dislike this because it mixes "in band" and "out of band" info,
> requiring more special handling in tools to separate them again. I
> really think a type-tagged map is the right (and YAML-ish) way to do
> this.
>
The example I've posted earlier does work like this.
The form:
- /:
one: true
$etm0:
two: true
Is functionally identical with:
- !ref "/":
one: true
!ref "etm0"
two: true
Regards
-- Pantelis
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