On 10/17/17 06:38, Grant Likely wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Rob Herring <robh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Ben Dooks <ben.dooks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On 16/10/17 06:36, Michal Simek wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On 9.10.2017 22:39, Grant Likely wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Kernel Summit is now just over 2 weeks away and it is time to pull >>>>> together the schedule for the Devicetree workshop. Originally I >>>>> planned on just an afternoon, but I've got the room for the whole day, >>>>> so I've got a lot of flexibility on the schedule. Unscheduled time can >>>>> be used for hacking. >>>>> >>>>> Date: 26 Oct 2017 >>>>> Time: 9:00am-5:30pm (Lunch from 12:30-2:30) >>>>> Location: Athens room - Hilton Prague >>>>> >>>>> If you plan to attend, make sure you update your OSSunmitE/ELCE >>>>> registration to include the DT Workshop (log in to access and modify >>>>> your registration): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.regonline.com/register/login.aspx?eventID=1883377&MethodId=0&EventsessionId=&Email_Address=&membershipID= >>>>> >>>>> Here is my current list of topics in no particular order, including >>>>> the topic moderator: >>>>> >>>>> Runtime memory consumption (Rob Herring) >>>>> Overlay maintenance plan (TBC) >>>>> Stable ABI for devicetree (TBC) >>>>> DT YAML encoding (Pantelis Antoniou) >>>>> DT Schema format - option 1 (Pantelis Antoniou) >>>>> DT Schema format - option 2 (Grant Likely) >>>>> Sharing Generic bindings (TBC) >>>>> devicetree.org update (Grant) >>>>> >>>>> Reply to this email if you want to propose another topic. >>>>> >>>>> Reply privately if there is a particular topic you want to attend but >>>>> you are unable to be there in the morning or afternoon. I'll put the >>>>> actual agenda together a week out from the event. >>>> >>>> >>>> I would like to talk how to add support for AArch32 based on arm64 dts >>>> file. >>>> >>>> And next topic is discuss criteria for adding new DTS board files to >>>> kernel for supporting custom boards especially for arm32 which can end >>>> up with a lot of dts files in this folder. >>>> If make sense to permit only boards with something new or just enable >>>> reference boards to go in. >>> >>> >>> I am interested in this, as we seem to be repeating the quantity >>> issue with the board file of having many .dts sources in the kernel. >> >> The problem was not so much having board files in the kernel. It was >> how to scale support for boards and SoCs with each family structuring >> things their own, different way. >> >> IIRC, the ARM tree was at ~400 boards at the start of DT conversion. >> Now we're at ~1100 boards for arm/arm64. Plus we still have 264 that >> aren't converted to DT. >> >>> I'm not sure how to deal with this, on one hand only having the >>> reference (and possibly popular) boards is going to keep the size >>> down. On the other hand out of tree .dts files are going to be >>> difficult to find (or vanish with the vendor). >> >> Why do we care? What problem is that causing? > > In fact, for many platforms that would be a good place to get to if > the firmware is providing the .dtb. Plus the DT data formats are so > simple that it is not difficult to get a DTB back into a DTS. No, it _is_ difficult to convert a DTB to a useful DTS. The DTB might not be easily extracted from a vendor provided boot image. You do not get a full DTS back from a decompiled DTB. Phandle references are integers instead of strings. Labels are missing. >> >>> It seems we are still no closer to having a DT repository outside >>> the kernel. >> >> In relationship to the above what problem would that solve? We've got >> all the platform maintainers and arm-soc maintainers to handle dts >> files. Mark and myself along with subsystem maintainers reviewing and >> applying device bindings. If you move all that to a separate >> repository, then you have me because no one else has volunteered. I'm >> pretty sure no one wants me as the single point of failure. > > Yes. When it comes to the bindings, and schema files when we have > them, they should be maintained with the tools. Totally disagree. I'm sure we'll have the same discussion we have had at various ELC and ELCE events, where a handful of people want to move the DTS files out of the kernel source tree, and the vast majority of the room is opposed to that. > > g. > . > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe devicetree-spec" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
