On 2/19/2014 10:46 AM, Jason Cooper wrote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 02:14:51PM -0800, Frank Rowand wrote: >> On 2/18/2014 10:18 AM, Jason Cooper wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 04:57:50PM +0100, Sascha Hauer wrote: >>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 01:05:44PM -0500, Jason Cooper wrote: >>> ... >>>>> - Is the Linux development workflow ready for devicetree to move out >>>>> of the Linux Kernel? >>>> >>>> I hope so since keeping the devicetrees in sync with the kernel is a >>>> pain for all external users. >>> >>> Well, I haven't heard any screams yet. I suspect people are waiting for >>> details on the exact form it would take before complaining... >> >> < snip > >> >> Let me join the chorus of screams. >> >> I would venture that the number of linux kernel developers actively >> touching device tree source files (and impacted by changes to them) >> is vastly larger than any other set of developers. >> >> My experience in the kernel is already that finding working device >> tree fragments that match current under development code is difficult. >> (I am not trying to generalize for all systems, just the ones I use.) >> >> Moving the device tree source files out of the kernel git tree will >> only make things worse. > > Having written/applied a significant portion of the arm devicetree files > for several SoCs over the past couple of years, I share your concern. > The reason I bring this up is because I keep seeing the little churn > here and there because we _can_. > > I find it very similar to a teenager reaching adulthood. At a certain > point, the parents have to say "Get out, get a job, get your own place." > It's hard for all parties involved, but it's the best thing for the > young adult in the long run. There's no substitute for living on your > own and paying bills. That is not exactly a technical reason (the teenager explanation). > > I think the long term health of the devicetree would benefit greatly > from being more detached than it currently is. It would force everyone > to "Pay the bills". > > The time might not be right now, and it probably will take one of the > more gradual forms Olof suggested. But I think it should happen at some > point to help it grow up. > > And we still have the short term problem of facilitating other projects > use of the devicetree. Which can only make it more robust and accepted > by default. I am predicting increased pain for little gain if the dts files move out of the linux kernel repository. -Frnak -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe devicetree-spec" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
