On Mon, 4 Nov 2019, Mike Perez wrote: > Here's another draft with the current feedback. Sage, do you have thoughts > on keeping any of the data protection questions per Lar's suggestions? No opinion... so sure. Few small edits: - Total raw and usable capacity: let them type in a box (TB) - Which ceph release question should be release(s), w/ checkboxes - What Ceph Manager modules question: s/did/do/ - RGW auth question: checkboxes, not radio buttons - number of rgw sites: "Number of federated RGW sites", with an entry box Then let's ship it! Thanks! sage > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:32 PM Sage Weil <sage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > I did another pass and I think we can simplify. I suggest we give up on > > the detailed per-cluster stats from a manual survey and instead rely on > > telemetry (and/or telemetry backport to mimic/luminous if we *really* want > > that data), and then consolidate this into a handful of easy questions in > > the general survey. > > > > On the general part, > > > > - telemetry 'why' question: make it a "check all that apply" + comment > > > > ...the add: > > > > - How many clusters do you operate? [fill in number] > > - Which Ceph releases do you run? Check all that apply > > (list nautilus -> argonaut) > > - Total aggregate cluster capacity in TB [fill in number] > > - Largest cluster capacity in TB [fill in number] > > > > and then copy most of the other cluster answers back over to the main > > one, converting anything that is a selection to a 'check all that a > > pply'. e.g., > > > > - Which Ceph packages (copy/move from cluster survey, but check all that > > apply) > > - What operating system(s) are you using on cluster nodes? (copy/move, > > but check all that apply) > > > > A few things could be dropped to simplify: > > > > - how many hosts, osds, osds per node, osd backends, redundancy > > - number of hours (unless we can simplify this?) > > - data protection scheme > > - size/min_size > > - which osd layout features > > - what type of NICs > > - RGW: 'do you use snapshots?' subquestion (not a thing) > > > > Change: > > - What process architectures > > - add Power > > - Typical number of fs clients (per cluster) > > - number of files ... (for largest cluster, if multiple clusters) > > - MDS cache size ... (for largest cluster, if multiple clusters) > > - number of active MDS for largest cluster [just type in value, not a > > multiple choice] > > > > A few of these still fall into the category of things we should capture > > with telemetry.. I'm not quite sure where to draw the line, but generally > > think we should lean toward simplicity. Like, all of those Change items > > :) > > > > Lars, WDYT? > > > > sage > > > > > > > > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019, Mike Perez wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > We conduct yearly user surveys to better under how our users utilize > > Ceph. > > > The Ceph Foundation collects the data under the Community Data License > > > agreement [0]; which helps the community make more of an informed > > decision > > > of where our efforts in the development of future releases should go. > > > > > > Back in August, I asked for the community to help draft the next survey > > > [1]. I'm happy to provide a draft of the user survey for 2019. I'm > > sending > > > this to the dev list in hopes of getting feedback before sending it to > > the > > > Ceph users list. > > > > > > The first question I received was using something other than Survey > > monkey > > > due to it not being available in some regions. I have been using another > > > third-party service for our Ceph Days CFP forms, and luckily they offer a > > > survey service that isn't blocked. > > > > > > A second question that came up was how to layout questions for multiple > > > cluster deployments. An idea I had was having our general Ceph user > > survey > > > [2] separate from the deployment questions [3]. The general questions > > only > > > need to be answered once, and the deployment survey can be answered > > > multiple times to capture the different configurations. I'm looking into > > a > > > way to link the answers of both surveys together. > > > > > > Any feedback, corrections or ideas? > > > > > > [0] - https://cdla.io/sharing-1-0/ > > > [1] - > > > > > https://lists.ceph.io/hyperkitty/list/ceph-users@xxxxxxx/thread/Q3NCHOJN45DPPZUGDXFRO7A7E2W22YUO/ > > > [2] - > > > https://ceph.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Ceph-User-Survey-general.pdf > > > [3] - > > > https://ceph.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Ceph-User-Survey-Clusters.pdf > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Mike Perez > > > > > > he/him > > > > > > Ceph Community Manager > > > > > > > > > M: +1-951-572-2633 > > > > > > 494C 5D25 2968 D361 65FB 3829 94BC D781 ADA8 8AEA > > > @Thingee <https://twitter.com/thingee> Thingee > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/thingee> <https://www.facebook.com/RedHatInc> > > > <https://www.redhat.com> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike Perez > > he/him > > Ceph Community Manager > > > M: +1-951-572-2633 > > 494C 5D25 2968 D361 65FB 3829 94BC D781 ADA8 8AEA > @Thingee <https://twitter.com/thingee> Thingee > <https://www.linkedin.com/thingee> <https://www.facebook.com/RedHatInc> > <https://www.redhat.com> > _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list -- dev@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to dev-leave@xxxxxxx
