On 08/01/2013 11:34 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Thursday, August 01, 2013 08:54:59 PM Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
>> On 08/01/2013 08:14 PM, Viresh Kumar wrote:
>>> On 1 August 2013 13:41, Srivatsa S. Bhat
>>> <srivatsa.bhat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> On 08/01/2013 05:38 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>> The cpufreq core is a little inconsistent in the way it uses the
>>>>> driver module refcount.
>>>>>
>>>>> Namely, if __cpufreq_add_dev() is called for a CPU without siblings
>>>>> or generally a CPU for which a new policy object has to be created,
>>>>> it grabs a reference to the driver module to start with, but drops
>>>>> that reference before returning. As a result, the driver module
>>>>> refcount is then equal to 0 after __cpufreq_add_dev() has returned.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, if the given CPU is a sibling of some other
>>>>> CPU already having a policy, cpufreq_add_policy_cpu() is called
>>>>> to link the new CPU to the existing policy. In that case,
>>>>> cpufreq_cpu_get() is called to obtain that policy and grabs a
>>>>> reference to the driver module, but that reference is not
>>>>> released and the module refcount will be different from 0 after
>>>>> __cpufreq_add_dev() returns (unless there is an error). That
>>>>> prevents the driver module from being unloaded until
>>>>> __cpufreq_remove_dev() is called for all the CPUs that
>>>>> cpufreq_add_policy_cpu() was called for previously.
>>>>>
>>>>> To remove that inconsistency make cpufreq_add_policy_cpu() execute
>>>>> cpufreq_cpu_put() for the given policy before returning, which
>>>>> decrements the driver module refcount so that it will be 0 after
>>>>> __cpufreq_add_dev() returns,
>>>>
>>>> Removing the inconsistency is a good thing, but I think we should
>>>> make it consistent the other way around - make a CPU-online increment
>>>> the driver module refcount and decrement it only on CPU-offline.
>>>
>>> I took time to review to this mail as I was looking at the problem
>>> yesterday. I am sorry to say, but I have completely different views as
>>> compared to You and Rafael both :)
>>>
>>> First of all, Rafael's patch is incomplete as it hasn't fixed the issue
>>> completely. When we have multiple CPUs per policy and
>>> cpufreq_add_dev() is called for the first one, it call cpufreq_get_cpu()
>>> for all cpus of this policy(), so count is == x (no. of CPUs in this policy)
>>> + 1 (This is the initial value of .owner).
>>>
>>> And so we still have module count getting incremented for other cpus :)
>>>
>>
>> Good catch!
>
> Sorry, I don't see how this happens.
>
> __cpufreq_add_dev() only directly calls cpufreq_cpu_get() at the beginning to
> check if the policy is there and then immediately calls cpufreq_cpu_put() in
> that case (for that policy).
>
> Next, cpufreq_add_policy_cpu() calls cpufreq_cpu_get(), but that's what my
> patch changes.
>
> I don't see where else cpufreq_cpu_get() is called by __cpufreq_add_dev()
> whether directly or indirectly.
>
__cpufreq_add_dev()->cpufreq_add_dev_interface()->cpufreq_add_dev_symlink().
The last one does:
815 for_each_cpu(j, policy->cpus) {
816 struct cpufreq_policy *managed_policy;
817 struct device *cpu_dev;
818
819 if (j == cpu)
820 continue;
821
822 pr_debug("CPU %u already managed, adding link\n", j);
823 managed_policy = cpufreq_cpu_get(cpu);
824 cpu_dev = get_cpu_device(j);
825 ret = sysfs_create_link(&cpu_dev->kobj, &policy->kobj,
826 "cpufreq");
...
}
> Moreover, if I'm completely wrong and it is called there in an invisible
> hush-hush way, it has to be explained why the module usage count as printed by
> lsmod for acpi-cpufreq is 0 (in current linux-next).
>
Perhaps because none of your policies have more than one CPU associated
with it? I think related_cpus should be able to tell us that..
But yes, it is a little hidden and moreover, we don't take the refcount if
there is only one CPU in the mask. Which is a little inconsistent, IMHO.
>>> Now few lines about My point of view to this whole thing. I believe we
>>> should get rid of .owner field from struct cpufreq_driver completely. It
>>> doesn't make sense to me in doing all this management at all. Surprised?
>>> Shocked? Laughing at me? :)
>>>
>>> Well I may be wrong but this is what I think:
>>> - It looks stupid to me that I can't do this from userspace in one go:
>>> $ insmod cpufreq_driver.ko
>>> $ rmmod cpufreq_driver.ko
>>>
>>> What the hell changed in between that isn't visible to user? It looked
>>> completely stupid in that way..
>>>
>>> Something like this sure makes sense:
>>> $ insmod ondemand-governor.ko
>>> $ change governor to ondemand for few CPUs
>>> $ rmmod ondemand-governor.ko
>>>
>>> as we have deliberately add few users of governor. And so without second
>>> step, rmmod should really work smoothly. And it does.
>>>
>>> Now, why shouldn't there be a problem with this approach? I will write
>>> that inline to the problems you just described.
>>>
>>>> The reason is, one should not be able to unload the back-end cpufreq
>>>> driver module when some CPUs are still being managed. Nasty things
>>>> will result if we allow that. For example, if we unload the module,
>>>> and then try to do a CPU offline, then the cpufreq hotplug notifier
>>>> won't even be called (because cpufreq_unregister_driver also
>>>> unregisters the hotplug notifier). And that might be troublesome.
>>>
>>> So what? Its simply equivalent to we have booted our system, haven't
>>> inserted cpufreq module and taken out a cpu.
>
> I'd put that differently.
>
> With the current code as is it may cause problems to happen, but there are
> two ways to change that in general:
>
> (1) Disallow the removal of the cpufreq driver while there are any users, but
> for that we only need the driver to be refcounted *once* when a new policy
> is created (and not as many times as there are CPUs using that policy).
> Then, the reference can be dropped while removing the policy object.
>
> (2) Allow the removal of the cpufreq driver, but harden the code against
> that. [Maybe it doesn't have to be hardened any more as is, I haven't
> checked that.]
>
> I agree with Viresh that (1) is kind of weird from the usability perspective,
> because if we did that, it wouldn't be practically possible to remove cpufreq
> driver modules after loading them (cpuidle currently has that problem).
>
Yes, I think we can go with Viresh's approach and use plain locking to
synchronize things. Returning -EBUSY isn't really beneficial, since the
critical sections are small and finite - its not like the user has to wait
a long time to rmmod the module if we use locking.
>>>> Even worse, if we unload a cpufreq driver module and load a new
>>>> one and *then* try to offline the CPU, then the cpufreq_driver->exit()
>>>> function that we call during CPU offline will end up calling the
>>>> corresponding function of an entirely different driver! So the
>>>> ->init() and ->exit() calls won't match.
>>>
>>> That's not true. When we unload the module, it must call
>>> cpufreq_unregister_driver() which should call cpufreq_remove_cpu()
>>> for all cpus and so exit() is already called for last module.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I missed this one.
>>
>>> If we get something new now, it should simply work.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, I now see your point. It won't create any problems by
>> unloading the module and loading a new one.
>>
>>> What do you think gentlemen?
>>>
>>
>> Well, I now agree that we don't have to keep the module refcount
>> non-zero as long as CPUs are being managed (that was just my
>> misunderstanding, sorry for the noise). However, I think the _get()
>> and _put() used in the existing code is for synchronization: that
>> is, to avoid races between trying to unload the cpufreq driver
>> module and running a hotplug notifier (and calling the driver module's
>> ->init() or ->exit() function).
>>
>> With that being the case, I think we can retain the module refcounts
>> and use them only for synchronization. And naturally the refcount
>> should drop to zero after the critical section; no point keeping
>> it incremented until the CPU is taken offline.
>>
>> Or, am I confused again?
>
> No, I don't think so.
>
> In fact, the point of my patch was to make the module refcount stay 0
> beyond critical sections, but it looks like I overlooked something. What is
> that?
>
Its the cpufreq_cpu_get() hidden away in cpufreq_add_dev_symlink(). With
that taken care of, everything should be OK. Then we can change the
synchronization part to avoid using refcounts.
Regards,
Srivatsa S. Bhat
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