Whoa.... Before you go slapping redhat around I think you should start checking what updates are being done and why. If you are running a cluster, it's your responsebility to make sure any updates are first "needed" and second, are going to mesh with your config. To answer your question about clustering, the newer clusterring and GFS packages use the same underlying subsystems. It's that simple. It's done that way to ensure a constant view of "clustered" parts, get consistent events etc. Then RHEL 3 way of doing clusters is no more and with good reason. If they subsystems don't talk to each other, they tend to step on each other. That all said, it would be nice if GFS/Cluster updates did come out at or around the same time as kernel updates. I do not use up2date and cannot in my situation so manual downloads do it for me. That's ok tho cuz I like to know whats happening on my clusters. Finally, this is not the place to complain about such things. If you have a beef with Redhat then you should be calling under your support contract and complain there where an official chain of events occurrs... Your more likely to get your desired result. Paying customers get the ear. Anyone (ie non-paying cluster users) can complain here so it's of much less value I think. Your mileage may vary. Just my 01 cents... Cheers Corey NOTE: My views are MY OWN, NOT REDHAT's (They may be more kind....) -----Original Message----- From: linux-cluster-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:linux-cluster-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Troels Arvin Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:41 AM To: linux-cluster@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Please update cman-kernel and dlm-kernel when themain kernel is updated I just ran an up2date on some servers in a RHEL 4 ES cluster, and the kernel was updated. Now, I tried rebooting one of the nodes in the cluster, and at least one of the cluster management software daemons didn't properly start, seemingly due to kernel module mismatches. Reverting to the older kernel made the cluster node join the cluster again. This is not impressive; it's actually very disappointing. Red Hat, please coordinate things. By the way: Why are special kernel modules even needed by the cluster software if GFS isn't used? -- Greetings from Troels Arvin -- Linux-cluster@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-cluster -- Linux-cluster@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-cluster