On Thu 27-10-22 15:39:00, Huang, Ying wrote:
> Michal Hocko <mhocko@xxxxxxxx> writes:
>
> > On Thu 27-10-22 14:47:22, Huang, Ying wrote:
> >> Michal Hocko <mhocko@xxxxxxxx> writes:
> > [...]
> >> > I can imagine workloads which wouldn't like to get their memory demoted
> >> > for some reason but wouldn't it be more practical to tell that
> >> > explicitly (e.g. via prctl) rather than configuring cpusets/memory
> >> > policies explicitly?
> >>
> >> If my understanding were correct, prctl() configures the process or
> >> thread.
> >
> > Not necessarily. There are properties which are per adddress space like
> > PR_[GS]ET_THP_DISABLE. This could be very similar.
> >
> >> How can we get process/thread configuration at demotion time?
> >
> > As already pointed out in previous emails. You could hook into
> > folio_check_references path, more specifically folio_referenced_one
> > where you have all that you need already - all vmas mapping the page and
> > then it is trivial to get the corresponding vm_mm. If at least one of
> > them has the flag set then the demotion is not allowed (essentially the
> > same model as VM_LOCKED).
>
> Got it! Thanks for detailed explanation.
>
> One bit may be not sufficient. For example, if we want to avoid or
> control cross-socket demotion and still allow demoting to slow memory
> nodes in local socket, we need to specify a node mask to exclude some
> NUMA nodes from demotion targets.
Isn't this something to be configured on the demotion topology side? Or
do you expect there will be per process/address space usecases? I mean
different processes running on the same topology, one requesting local
demotion while other ok with the whole demotion topology?
> >From overhead point of view, this appears similar as that of VMA/task
> memory policy? We can make mm->owner available for memory tiers
> (CONFIG_NUMA && CONFIG_MIGRATION). The advantage is that we don't need
> to introduce new ABI. I guess users may prefer to use `numactl` than a
> new ABI?
mm->owner is a wrong direction. It doesn't have a strong meaning because
there is no one task explicitly responsible for the mm so there is no
real owner (our clone() semantic is just to permissive for that). The
memcg::owner is a crude and ugly hack and it should go away over time
rather than build new uses.
Besides that, and as I have already tried to explain, per task demotion
policy is what makes this whole thing expensive. So this better be a per
mm or per vma property. Whether it is a on/off knob like PR_[GS]ET_THP_DISABLE
or there are explicit requirements for fine grain control on the vma
level I dunno. I haven't seen those usecases yet and it is really easy
to overengineer this.
To be completely honest I would much rather wait for those usecases
before adding a more complex APIs. PR_[GS]_DEMOTION_DISABLED sounds
like a reasonable first step. Should we have more fine grained
requirements wrt address space I would follow the MADV_{NO}HUGEPAGE
lead.
If we really need/want to give a fine grained control over demotion
nodemask then we would have to go with vma->mempolicy interface. In
any case a per process on/off knob sounds like a reasonable first step
before we learn more about real usecases.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
