On Sun, May 05, 2019 at 12:34:16PM -0400, Kenny Ho wrote: > (sent again. Not sure why my previous email was just a reply instead > of reply-all.) > > On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:05 PM Leon Romanovsky <leon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > We are talking about two different access patterns for this device > > memory (DM). One is to use this device memory (DM) and second to configure/limit. > > Usually those actions will be performed by different groups. > > > > First group (programmers) is using special API [1] through libibverbs [2] > > without any notion of cgroups or any limitations. Second group (sysadmins) > > is less interested in application specifics and for them "device memory" means > > "memory" and not "rdma, nic specific, internal memory". > Um... I am not sure that answered it, especially in the context of > cgroup (this is just for my curiosity btw, I don't know much about > rdma.) You said sysadmins are less interested in application > specifics but then how would they make the judgement call on how much > "device memory" is provisioned to one application/container over > another (let say you have 5 cgroup sharing an rdma device)? What are > the consequences of under provisioning "device memory" to an > application? And if they are all just memory, can a sysadmin > provision more system memory in place of device memory (like, are they > interchangeable)? I guess I am confused because if device memory is > just memory (not rdma, nic specific) to sysadmins how would they know > to set the right amount? One of the immediate usages of this DM that come to my mind is very fast spinlocks for MPI applications. In such case, the amount of DM will be property of network topology in given MPI cluster. In this scenario, precise amount of memory will ensure that all jobs will continue to give maximal performance despite any programmer's error in DM allocation. For under provisioning scenario and if application is written correctly, users will experience more latency and less performance, due to the PCI accesses. Slide 3 in Liran's presentation gives brief overview about motivation. Thanks > > Regards, > Kenny > > > [1] ibv_alloc_dm() > > http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/ibv_alloc_dm.3.html > > https://www.openfabrics.org/images/2018workshop/presentations/304_LLiss_OnDeviceMemory.pdf > > [2] https://github.com/linux-rdma/rdma-core/blob/master/libibverbs/ > > > > > > > > I think we need to be careful about drawing the line between > > > duplication and over couplings between subsystems. I have other > > > thoughts and concerns and I will try to organize them into a response > > > in the next few days. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Kenny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is AMD interested in collaborating to help shape this framework? > > > > > It is intended to be device-neutral, so could be leveraged by various > > > > > types of devices. > > > > > If you have an alternative solution well underway, then maybe > > > > > we can work together to merge our efforts into one. > > > > > In the end, the DRM community is best served with common solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> and with future work, we could extend to: > > > > > >>> * track and control share of GPU time (reuse of cpu/cpuacct) > > > > > >>> * apply mask of allowed execution engines (reuse of cpusets) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Instead of introducing a new cgroup subsystem for GPU devices, a new > > > > > >>> framework is proposed to allow devices to register with existing cgroup > > > > > >>> controllers, which creates per-device cgroup_subsys_state within the > > > > > >>> cgroup. This gives device drivers their own private cgroup controls > > > > > >>> (such as memory limits or other parameters) to be applied to device > > > > > >>> resources instead of host system resources. > > > > > >>> Device drivers (GPU or other) are then able to reuse the existing cgroup > > > > > >>> controls, instead of inventing similar ones. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Per-device controls would be exposed in cgroup filesystem as: > > > > > >>> mount/<cgroup_name>/<subsys_name>.devices/<dev_name>/<subsys_files> > > > > > >>> such as (for example): > > > > > >>> mount/<cgroup_name>/memory.devices/<dev_name>/memory.max > > > > > >>> mount/<cgroup_name>/memory.devices/<dev_name>/memory.current > > > > > >>> mount/<cgroup_name>/cpu.devices/<dev_name>/cpu.stat > > > > > >>> mount/<cgroup_name>/cpu.devices/<dev_name>/cpu.weight > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> The drm/i915 patch in this series is based on top of other RFC work [1] > > > > > >>> for i915 device memory support. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> AMD [2] and Intel [3] have proposed related work in this area within the > > > > > >>> last few years, listed below as reference. This new RFC reuses existing > > > > > >>> cgroup controllers and takes a different approach than prior work. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Finally, some potential discussion points for this series: > > > > > >>> * merge proposed <subsys_name>.devices into a single devices directory? > > > > > >>> * allow devices to have multiple registrations for subsets of resources? > > > > > >>> * document a 'common charging policy' for device drivers to follow? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> [1] https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/56683/ > > > > > >>> [2] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2018-November/197106.html > > > > > >>> [3] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2018-January/153156.html > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Brian Welty (5): > > > > > >>> cgroup: Add cgroup_subsys per-device registration framework > > > > > >>> cgroup: Change kernfs_node for directories to store > > > > > >>> cgroup_subsys_state > > > > > >>> memcg: Add per-device support to memory cgroup subsystem > > > > > >>> drm: Add memory cgroup registration and DRIVER_CGROUPS feature bit > > > > > >>> drm/i915: Use memory cgroup for enforcing device memory limit > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_drv.c | 12 + > > > > > >>> drivers/gpu/drm/drm_gem.c | 7 + > > > > > >>> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_drv.c | 2 +- > > > > > >>> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_memory_region.c | 24 +- > > > > > >>> include/drm/drm_device.h | 3 + > > > > > >>> include/drm/drm_drv.h | 8 + > > > > > >>> include/drm/drm_gem.h | 11 + > > > > > >>> include/linux/cgroup-defs.h | 28 ++ > > > > > >>> include/linux/cgroup.h | 3 + > > > > > >>> include/linux/memcontrol.h | 10 + > > > > > >>> kernel/cgroup/cgroup-v1.c | 10 +- > > > > > >>> kernel/cgroup/cgroup.c | 310 ++++++++++++++++++--- > > > > > >>> mm/memcontrol.c | 183 +++++++++++- > > > > > >>> 13 files changed, 552 insertions(+), 59 deletions(-) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> 2.21.0 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> dri-devel mailing list > > > > > >> dri-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel
