On 02/19, Roman Gushchin wrote: > > It provides similar functionality as v1 freezer, but the interface > conforms to the cgroup v2 interface design principles, and it > provides a better user experience: tasks can be killed, ptrace works, I tried to not argue with intent, but to be honest I am more and more sceptical... Lets forget about ptrace for the moment. Once again, why do we want a killable freezer? If a user wants to kill a frozen task from CGRP_FROZEN cgroup he can simply 1. send SIGKILL to that task 2. migrate it to the root cgroup. why this doesn't / can't work? Why I am starting to argue... The ability to kill a frozen task complicates the code, and since cgroup_enter_stopped() (in this version at least) doesn't properly interacts with freezable_schedule() leads to other problems. >From 7/7: + cgroup.freeze + A read-write single value file which exists on non-root cgroups. + Allowed values are "0" and "1". The default is "0". + + Writing "1" to the file causes freezing of the cgroup and all + descendant cgroups. This means that all belonging processes will + be stopped and will not run until the cgroup will be explicitly + unfrozen. Freezing of the cgroup may take some time; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ it may take infinite time. Just suppose that a task does vfork() and this races with cgroup_do_freeze(true). If the new child notices JOBCTL_TRAP_FREEZE before exit/exec the cgroup will be never frozen. If I read the current kernel/cgroup/freezer.c correctly, CGROUP_FREEZING should "always" work (unless a task hangs in D state) and to me this looks more important than kill/ptrace support... > there is no separate controller, which has to be enabled, etc. agreed, this is nice. Oleg.