Re: Many misplaced PG's, full OSD's and a good amount of manual intervention to keep my Ceph cluster alive.

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On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 at 15:50, Bruno Gomes Pessanha <bruno.pessanha@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> `ceph osd df`, look at the PGS column.  Could be you’re hitting the limit
>> on some OSDs.  It’s odd to stop at a non power of 2.
>>
>
> # ceph osd df
> ID  CLASS  WEIGHT    REWEIGHT  SIZE     RAW USE  DATA     OMAP      META
>   AVAIL    %USE   VAR   PGS  STATUS
>  8    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.4 TiB  9.4 TiB   9.8 MiB   21
> GiB  4.6 TiB  67.09  1.07   63      up
> 18    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.2 TiB  8.2 TiB   8.5 MiB   19
> GiB  5.7 TiB  59.02  0.94   54      up
> 28    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.1 TiB  8.1 TiB   1.5 GiB   19
> GiB  5.9 TiB  58.02  0.93   54      up
> 37    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB    84 MiB   31
> GiB  1.2 TiB  91.14  1.45  135      up
> 45    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.2 TiB  9.2 TiB   542 MiB   22
> GiB  4.8 TiB  65.79  1.05   66      up
> 56    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.3 TiB  8.3 TiB   5.0 MiB   19
> GiB  5.7 TiB  59.19  0.94   56      up
> 66    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.9 TiB  8.8 TiB   358 MiB   20
> GiB  5.1 TiB  63.39  1.01   54      up
> 77    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.7 TiB  8.7 TiB   3.7 MiB   19
> GiB  5.3 TiB  62.18  0.99   53      up
>  6    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.3 TiB  8.3 TiB   355 MiB   18
> GiB  5.6 TiB  59.67  0.95   52      up
> 16    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.3 TiB  7.3 TiB   572 MiB   18
> GiB  6.7 TiB  52.05  0.83   47      up
> 26    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.6 TiB  8.6 TiB   921 MiB   20
> GiB  5.4 TiB  61.55  0.98   57      up
> 36    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB   1.2 GiB   31
> GiB  1.2 TiB  91.45  1.46  141      up
> 46    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.1 TiB  8.1 TiB   419 MiB   19
> GiB  5.9 TiB  57.77  0.92   57      up
> 54    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.0 TiB  8.9 TiB  1011 MiB   20
> GiB  5.0 TiB  64.10  1.02   65      up
> 64    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.9 TiB  7.9 TiB   962 MiB   19
> GiB  6.0 TiB  56.87  0.91   59      up
> 74    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.2 TiB  7.1 TiB   879 MiB   17
> GiB  6.8 TiB  51.23  0.82   49      up
>  3    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.1 TiB  9.1 TiB   2.0 GiB   20
> GiB  4.8 TiB  65.45  1.04   71      up
> 12    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.4 TiB  8.4 TiB   433 MiB   19
> GiB  5.6 TiB  59.92  0.96   61      up
> 22    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.8 TiB  8.8 TiB   501 MiB   20
> GiB  5.2 TiB  63.01  1.01   66      up
> 31    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.1 TiB  8.1 TiB   932 MiB   18
> GiB  5.8 TiB  58.20  0.93   53      up
> 41    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.7 TiB  8.6 TiB   627 MiB   20
> GiB  5.3 TiB  61.96  0.99   54      up
> 51    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  6.9 TiB  6.9 TiB   1.4 GiB   16
> GiB  7.1 TiB  49.18  0.78   43      up
> 61    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB  1000 MiB   31
> GiB  1.4 TiB  89.99  1.44  134      up
> 71    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.1 TiB  8.0 TiB   553 MiB   19
> GiB  5.9 TiB  57.63  0.92   51      up
>  4    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.1 TiB  7.1 TiB   525 MiB   15
> GiB  6.9 TiB  50.87  0.81   47      up
> 15    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.7 TiB  8.7 TiB   606 MiB   19
> GiB  5.2 TiB  62.55  1.00   55      up
> 23    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.9 TiB  7.8 TiB   423 MiB   18
> GiB  6.1 TiB  56.32  0.90   49      up
> 34    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   10 TiB   10 TiB   551 MiB   24
> GiB  3.5 TiB  74.79  1.19   72      up
> 44    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB    77 MiB   28
> GiB  1.4 TiB  89.90  1.43  132      up
> 59    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.1 TiB  9.0 TiB   510 MiB   20
> GiB  4.9 TiB  64.91  1.04   61      up
> 69    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.7 TiB  9.7 TiB   1.0 GiB   22
> GiB  4.2 TiB  69.62  1.11   71      up
> 79    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.2 TiB  7.1 TiB   1.0 GiB   17
> GiB  6.8 TiB  51.26  0.82   47      up
>  9    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.2 TiB  8.2 TiB   1.1 MiB   18
> GiB  5.8 TiB  58.81  0.94   49      up
> 19    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.2 TiB  9.2 TiB   421 MiB   21
> GiB  4.8 TiB  65.68  1.05   63      up
> 29    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.8 TiB  8.7 TiB   511 MiB   21
> GiB  5.2 TiB  62.68  1.00   61      up
> 39    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.4 TiB  8.4 TiB   556 MiB   20
> GiB  5.6 TiB  60.15  0.96   58      up
> 49    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.0 TiB  7.0 TiB   2.9 MiB   15
> GiB  7.0 TiB  49.92  0.80   45      up
> 58    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.2 TiB  7.1 TiB   432 MiB   16
> GiB  6.8 TiB  51.22  0.82   49      up
> 67    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.4 TiB  7.4 TiB   1.1 GiB   17
> GiB  6.6 TiB  52.80  0.84   47      up
> 78    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.7 TiB  7.7 TiB   574 MiB   19
> GiB  6.3 TiB  54.94  0.88   55      up
>  0    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.2 TiB  8.2 TiB   455 MiB   19
> GiB  5.8 TiB  58.66  0.94   58      up
> 10    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.5 TiB  8.5 TiB   439 MiB   19
> GiB  5.4 TiB  61.07  0.97   48      up
> 21    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB   646 MiB   30
> GiB  1.3 TiB  90.87  1.45  135      up
> 32    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.6 TiB  8.6 TiB   3.2 MiB   19
> GiB  5.4 TiB  61.60  0.98   56      up
> 42    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB   582 MiB   33
> GiB  1.3 TiB  90.78  1.45  133      up
> 52    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.4 TiB  7.4 TiB   1.4 GiB   17
> GiB  6.6 TiB  52.74  0.84   47      up
> 62    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.4 TiB  7.3 TiB   1.5 GiB   16
> GiB  6.6 TiB  52.68  0.84   49      up
> 72    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.7 TiB  7.7 TiB   1.2 GiB   17
> GiB  6.3 TiB  55.20  0.88   53      up
>  1    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.1 TiB  8.0 TiB   1.5 GiB   19
> GiB  5.9 TiB  57.73  0.92   64      up
> 11    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.4 TiB  8.4 TiB   422 MiB   19
> GiB  5.5 TiB  60.37  0.96   62      up
> 20    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.7 TiB  7.7 TiB   405 MiB   17
> GiB  6.3 TiB  55.02  0.88   52      up
> 30    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.1 TiB  8.1 TiB   494 MiB   19
> GiB  5.9 TiB  57.84  0.92   49      up
> 40    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.2 TiB  9.2 TiB   376 MiB   22
> GiB  4.7 TiB  66.17  1.06   74      up
> 50    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.3 TiB  8.3 TiB   1.0 GiB   20
> GiB  5.7 TiB  59.43  0.95   54      up
> 60    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB   2.1 GiB   32
> GiB  1.2 TiB  91.27  1.46  136      up
> 70    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.3 TiB  8.3 TiB   498 MiB   19
> GiB  5.6 TiB  59.64  0.95   56      up
>  2    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB   1.1 GiB   31
> GiB  1.2 TiB  91.62  1.46  133      up
> 14    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.2 TiB  9.2 TiB   9.8 MiB   22
> GiB  4.7 TiB  66.05  1.05   60      up
> 24    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.4 TiB  7.4 TiB   426 MiB   17
> GiB  6.5 TiB  53.13  0.85   50      up
> 33    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.9 TiB  8.9 TiB   413 MiB   20
> GiB  5.1 TiB  63.54  1.01   56      up
> 43    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.2 TiB  8.2 TiB   529 MiB   18
> GiB  5.8 TiB  58.58  0.93   58      up
> 53    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.6 TiB  7.6 TiB   533 MiB   17
> GiB  6.4 TiB  54.29  0.87   52      up
> 63    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.5 TiB  8.5 TiB   569 MiB   19
> GiB  5.4 TiB  61.20  0.98   58      up
> 73    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.7 TiB  8.7 TiB   536 MiB   20
> GiB  5.3 TiB  62.14  0.99   63      up
>  5    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.3 TiB  8.3 TiB   1.3 GiB   19
> GiB  5.7 TiB  59.46  0.95   53      up
> 13    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.6 TiB  8.6 TiB   923 MiB   21
> GiB  5.4 TiB  61.60  0.98   49      up
> 25    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.4 TiB  7.4 TiB   4.3 MiB   16
> GiB  6.6 TiB  53.03  0.85   46      up
> 35    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.4 TiB  7.3 TiB   397 MiB   17
> GiB  6.6 TiB  52.70  0.84   45      up
> 47    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  9.0 TiB  9.0 TiB    10 MiB   21
> GiB  4.9 TiB  64.74  1.03   60      up
> 57    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.1 TiB  7.1 TiB   418 MiB   17
> GiB  6.8 TiB  51.13  0.82   50      up
> 68    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB   590 MiB   30
> GiB  1.2 TiB  91.28  1.46  141      up
> 76    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.2 TiB  7.2 TiB   976 MiB   16
> GiB  6.7 TiB  51.70  0.82   46      up
>  7    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.8 TiB  7.8 TiB   2.6 MiB   18
> GiB  6.1 TiB  56.03  0.89   49      up
> 17    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.2 TiB  7.2 TiB   443 MiB   16
> GiB  6.8 TiB  51.34  0.82   43      up
> 27    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.5 TiB  8.4 TiB   8.6 MiB   21
> GiB  5.5 TiB  60.51  0.97   54      up
> 38    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.9 TiB  7.9 TiB  1005 MiB   18
> GiB  6.0 TiB  56.88  0.91   52      up
> 48    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.6 TiB  7.5 TiB   2.0 MiB   17
> GiB  6.4 TiB  54.08  0.86   45      up
> 55    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB   13 TiB   13 TiB   509 MiB   30
> GiB  1.2 TiB  91.50  1.46  137      up
> 65    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  7.7 TiB  7.7 TiB   901 MiB   17
> GiB  6.3 TiB  55.07  0.88   51      up
> 75    ssd  13.97069   1.00000   14 TiB  8.5 TiB  8.5 TiB   6.0 MiB   19
> GiB  5.5 TiB  60.66  0.97   58      up
>                         TOTAL  1.1 PiB  701 TiB  699 TiB    49 GiB  1.6
> TiB  417 TiB  62.70
> MIN/MAX VAR: 0.78/1.46  STDDEV: 11.76
>
> We’re a community!   That curve is way gentler than it used to be.
>>
> 🙌👍
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 14:59, Anthony D'Atri <anthony.datri@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> >> Do you use the autoscalar or did you trigger a manual PG increment of
>> the
>> >> pool?
>> >
>> > The pool had autoscale enabled until 2 days ago when I thought it was
>> > better to change things manually in order to have a more deterministic
>> > result. Yes, I wanted to increase from "1" to something like "1024" but
>> it
>> > looks like it was capped to the 144 no matter what I do:
>>
>> `ceph osd df`, look at the PGS column.  Could be you’re hitting the limit
>> on some OSDs.  It’s odd to stop at a non power of 2.
>>
>> > Is it correct to say that every PG/OSD change can potentially cause data
>> > misplacements, unbalanced osd's and long backfills? I'll be way more
>> > careful before tuning it if that's the case.
>>
>> The autoscaler will usually only bump pg_num for a pool when the value is
>> <half what it thinks it should be.
>>
>> I suggest setting the ‘bulk’ flag one pool at a time to effectively
>> pre-split PGs as if the pool were full of data already.   Ignore .mgr.
>> Start with the pools with the fewest , let the cluster settle between each
>> adjustment.  That way the autoscaler will only make changes if cluster
>> topology changes.
>>
>>
>> > Thank you both so much! It definitely helped me to understand Ceph
>> better.
>> > It is kind of a steep curve :).
>>
>> We’re a community!   That curve is way gentler than it used to be.
>
>
>
> --
> Bruno Gomes Pessanha
>


-- 
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