Re: RGW and the orphans

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Im prettty sure that you got the same issue than we already reported :

https://tracker.ceph.com/issues/43756

Garbage and garbage stored into our OSD without be able to cleanup wasting a lot of space.

As you can see its solved in the new versions but... the last versión didnt have any "scrub" or similar system to fix the garbage generated in the past versions.

As result , even big companies got their RGW plattform with tons of TB wasted. 

Eric, Is there a way to ask you to develop(RGW Team) a system to clean our rgw clusters like rgw bucket scrub?

I talked with Cbodley and he explained how to it manually but the process is extremely complex.

We already calculated that at least a 25% of our rgw cluster is garbage (100TB), and our options right now:

- Deploy a new cluster a move rgw Users one by one with their buckets with an external copy, hopping in the last nautilus version this not happen again (Not usefull option and not transparent)
- Buy disk and disk waiting for a solution as External Tool (No sure to continue this way)
- Hire external developers with knowleage of ceph and create a private tool for that. (Developers with Ceph Core/Rgw knowleage will be no easy to find)

Here: ceph version 14.2.8



-----Mensaje original-----
De: Eric Ivancich <ivancich@xxxxxxxxxx> 
Enviado el: martes, 28 de abril de 2020 18:39
Para: Katarzyna Myrek <katarzyna@xxxxxxxx>
CC: ceph-users@xxxxxxx
Asunto:  Re: RGW and the orphans

Hi Katarzyna,

Incomplete multipart uploads are not considered orphans.

With respect to the 404s…. Which version of ceph are you running? What tooling are you using to list and cancel? Can you provide a console  transcript of the listing and cancelling?

Thanks,

Eric

--
J. Eric Ivancich
he / him / his
Red Hat Storage
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:57 AM, Katarzyna Myrek <katarzyna@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I am afraid that there is even more thrash available - running 
> rgw-orphan-list does not find everything. Like I still have broken 
> multiparts -> when I do s3cmd multipart I get a list of 
> "pending/interrupted multiparts". When I try to cancel such multipart 
> I get 404.
> 
> Does anyone have a method for cleanup of such things? Or even a list 
> of tasks which should be run regularly on clusters with rgw ?
> 
> 
> Kind regards / Pozdrawiam,
> Katarzyna Myrek
> 
> 
> wt., 21 kwi 2020 o 09:57 Janne Johansson <icepic.dz@xxxxxxxxx> napisał(a):
>> 
>> Den tis 21 apr. 2020 kl 07:29 skrev Eric Ivancich <ivancich@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> 
>>> Please be certain to read the associated docs in both:
>>> 
>>>        doc/radosgw/orphans.rst
>>>        doc/man/8/rgw-orphan-list.rst
>>> 
>>> so you understand the limitations and potential pitfalls. Generally this tool will be a precursor to a large delete job, so understanding what’s going on is important.
>>> I look forward to your report! And please feel free to post additional questions in this forum.
>>> 
>> 
>> Where are those?
>> https://github.com/ceph/ceph/tree/master/doc/man/8
>> https://github.com/ceph/ceph/tree/master/doc/radosgw
>> don't seem to contain them in master. Nor in nautilus branch or octopus.
>> 
>> This whole issue feels weird, rgw (or its users) produces dead 
>> fragments of mulitparts, orphans and whatnot that needs cleaning up sooner or later and the info we get is that the old cleaner isn't meant to be used, it hasn't worked for a long while, there is no fixed version, perhaps there is a script somewhere with caveats. This (slightly frustrated) issue is of course on top of "bi trim"
>> "bilog trim"
>> "mdlog trim"
>> "usage trim"
>> 
>> "datalog trim"
>> 
>> "sync error trim"
>> 
>> "gc process"
>> 
>> "reshard stale-instances rm"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> that we rgw admins are supposed to know when to run, how often, what their quirks are and so on.
>> 
>> 
>> 'Docs' for rgw means "datalog trim" --help says "trims the datalog", and the long version on the web would be "this operation trims the datalog" or something that doesn't add anything more.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> "Grumpy cat was an optimist"
>> 
> 

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