Re: cephfs file layouts, empty objects in first data pool

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On Mon, 10 Feb 2020, Gregory Farnum wrote:

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 3:24 PM Håkan T Johansson <f96hajo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

      Hi,

      running 14.2.6, debian buster (backports).

      Have set up a cephfs with 3 data pools and one metadata pool:
      myfs_data, myfs_data_hdd, myfs_data_ssd, and myfs_metadata.

      The data of all files are with the use of ceph.dir.layout.pool either
      stored in the pools myfs_data_hdd or myfs_data_ssd.  This has also been
      checked by dumping the ceph.file.layout.pool attributes of all files.

      The filesystem has 1617949 files and 36042 directories.

      There are however approximately as many objects in the first pool created
      for the cephfs, myfs_data, as there are files.  They also becomes more or
      fewer as files are created or deleted (so cannot be some leftover from
      earlier exercises).  Note how the USED size is reported as 0 bytes,
      correctly reflecting that no file data is stored in them.

      POOL_NAME        USED OBJECTS CLONES  COPIES MISSING_ON_PRIMARY UNFOUND DEGRADED  RD_OPS      RD   WR_OPS      WR USED COMPR UNDER COMPR
      myfs_data         0 B 1618229      0 4854687                  0       0        0 2263590 129 GiB 23312479 124 GiB        0 B         0 B
      myfs_data_hdd 831 GiB  136309      0  408927                  0       0        0  106046 200 GiB   269084 277 GiB        0 B         0 B
      myfs_data_ssd  43 GiB 1552412      0 4657236                  0       0        0  181468 2.3 GiB  4661935  12 GiB        0 B         0 B
      myfs_metadata 1.2 GiB   36096      0  108288                  0       0        0 4828623  82 GiB  1355102 143 GiB        0 B         0 B

      Is this expected?

      I was assuming that in this scenario, all objects, both their data and any
      keys would be either in the metadata pool, or the two pools where the
      objects are stored.

      Is it some additional metadata keys that are stored in the first
      created data pool for cephfs?  This would not be so nice in case the osd
      selection rules for it are using worse disks than the data itself...


https://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/cephfs/file-layouts/#adding-a-data-pool-to-the-mds notes there is “a small amount of metadata” kept in the primary pool. 

Thanks! This I managed to miss, probably as it was at the bottom of the page. In case one wants to use layouts to separate fast (likely many) from slow (likely large) files, it then sounds as the primary pool should the fast kind too, due to the large amount of objects. Thus this needs to be highlighted early in that documentation.

That’s not terribly clear; what is actually stored is a per-file location backtrace (its location in the directory tree) used for hardlink lookups and disaster recovery
scenarios.

This info would be nice to add to the manual page. It is nice to know what kind of information is stored there.

Again thanks for the clarification!

      Btw: is there any tool to see the amount of key value data size associated
      with a pool?  'ceph osd df' gives omap and meta for osds, but not broken
      down per pool.


I think this is in the newest master code, but I’m not certain which release it’s in...

Would it then (when available) also be in the 'rados df' command?

Best regards,
Håkan


-Greg



      Best regards,
      Håkan
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