Not related to the original topic but the Micron case in that article is fascinating and a little surprising. With pretty much best in class hardware in a lab environment: Potential 25,899,072 4KiB random write IOPs goes to 477K Potential 23,826,216 4KiB random read IOPs goes to 2,000,000 477K write IOPs and 2M read IOPs isn't terrible especially given there is replication but the overhead when you look at the numbers is still staggering. Thanks for sharing this article. -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Vitaliy Filippov <vitalif@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 6:32 PM To: ceph-users@xxxxxxxx; Hermann Himmelbauer <hermann@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Choosing suitable SSD for Ceph cluster It's easy: https://yourcmc.ru/wiki/Ceph_performance > Hi, > I am running a nice ceph (proxmox 4 / debian-8 / ceph 0.94.3) cluster > on > 3 nodes (supermicro X8DTT-HIBQF), 2 OSD each (2TB SATA harddisks), > interconnected via Infiniband 40. > > Problem is that the ceph performance is quite bad (approx. 30MiB/s > reading, 3-4 MiB/s writing ), so I thought about plugging into each > node a PCIe to NVMe/M.2 adapter and install SSD harddisks. The idea is > to have a faster ceph storage and also some storage extension. > > The question is now which SSDs I should use. If I understand it right, > not every SSD is suitable for ceph, as is denoted at the links below: > > https://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2014/10/10/ceph-how-to-test-if-your- > ssd-is-suitable-as-a-journal-device/ > or here: > https://www.proxmox.com/en/downloads/item/proxmox-ve-ceph-benchmark > > In the first link, the Samsung SSD 950 PRO 512GB NVMe is listed as a > fast SSD for ceph. As the 950 is not available anymore, I ordered a > Samsung 970 1TB for testing, unfortunately, the "EVO" instead of PRO. > > Before equipping all nodes with these SSDs, I did some tests with "fio" > as recommended, e.g. like this: > > fio --filename=/dev/DEVICE --direct=1 --sync=1 --rw=write --bs=4k > --numjobs=1 --iodepth=1 --runtime=60 --time_based --group_reporting > --name=journal-test > > The results are as the following: > > ----------------------- > 1) Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 mit PCIe Adapter > Jobs: 1: > read : io=26706MB, bw=445MiB/s, iops=113945, runt= 60001msec > write: io=252576KB, bw=4.1MiB/s, iops=1052, runt= 60001msec > > Jobs: 4: > read : io=21805MB, bw=432.7MiB/s, iops=93034, runt= 60001msec > write: io=422204KB, bw=6.8MiB/s, iops=1759, runt= 60002msec > > Jobs: 10: > read : io=26921MB, bw=448MiB/s, iops=114859, runt= 60001msec > write: io=435644KB, bw=7MiB/s, iops=1815, runt= 60004msec > ----------------------- > > So the read speed is impressive, but the write speed is really bad. > > Therefore I ordered the Samsung 970 PRO (1TB) as it has faster NAND > chips (MLC instead of TLC). The results are, however even worse for > writing: > > ----------------------- > Samsung 970 PRO NVMe M.2 mit PCIe Adapter > Jobs: 1: > read : io=15570MB, bw=259.4MiB/s, iops=66430, runt= 60001msec > write: io=199436KB, bw=3.2MiB/s, iops=830, runt= 60001msec > > Jobs: 4: > read : io=48982MB, bw=816.3MiB/s, iops=208986, runt= 60001msec > write: io=327800KB, bw=5.3MiB/s, iops=1365, runt= 60002msec > > Jobs: 10: > read : io=91753MB, bw=1529.3MiB/s, iops=391474, runt= 60001msec > write: io=343368KB, bw=5.6MiB/s, iops=1430, runt= 60005msec > ----------------------- > > I did some research and found out, that the "--sync" flag sets the > flag "O_DSYNC" which seems to disable the SSD cache which leads to > these horrid write speeds. > > It seems that this relates to the fact that the write cache is only > not disabled for SSDs which implement some kind of battery buffer that > guarantees a data flush to the flash in case of a powerloss. > > However, It seems impossible to find out which SSDs do have this > powerloss protection, moreover, these enterprise SSDs are crazy > expensive compared to the SSDs above - moreover it's unclear if > powerloss protection is even available in the NVMe form factor. So > building a 1 or 2 TB cluster seems not really affordable/viable. > > So, can please anyone give me hints what to do? Is it possible to > ensure that the write cache is not disabled in some way (my server is > situated in a data center, so there will probably never be loss of power). > > Or is the link above already outdated as newer ceph releases somehow > deal with this problem? Or maybe a later Debian release (10) will > handle the O_DSYNC flag differently? > > Perhaps I should simply invest in faster (and bigger) harddisks and > forget the SSD-cluster idea? > > Thank you in advance for any help, > > Best Regards, > Hermann -- With best regards, Vitaliy Filippov _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx
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