Dear Hermann, try your tests again with volatile write cache disabled ([s/h]dparm -W 0 DEVICE). If your disks have super capacitors, you should then see spec performance (possibly starting with iodopth=2 or 4) with your fio test. A good article is this one here: https://yourcmc.ru/wiki/index.php?title=Ceph_performance . The feature you are looking for is called "power loss protection". I would expect Samsung PRO disks to have it. The fio test with iodepth=1 will give you an indication of what you an expect from a single OSD deployed on the disk. When choosing disks, also look for DWPD>=1. In addition, as Martin writes, consider upgrading and deploy all new disks with bluestore. Best regards, ================= Frank Schilder AIT Risø Campus Bygning 109, rum S14 ________________________________________ From: Martin Verges <martin.verges@xxxxxxxx> Sent: 24 October 2019 21:21 To: Hermann Himmelbauer Cc: ceph-users Subject: Re: Choosing suitable SSD for Ceph cluster Hello, think about migrating to a way faster and better Ceph version and towards bluestore to increase the performance with the existing hardware. If you want to go with PCIe card, the Samsung PM1725b can provide quite good speeds but at much higher costs then the EVO. If you want to check drives, take a look at the uncached write latency. The lower the value is, the better will be the drive. -- Martin Verges Managing director Mobile: +49 174 9335695 E-Mail: martin.verges@xxxxxxxx<mailto:martin.verges@xxxxxxxx> Chat: https://t.me/MartinVerges croit GmbH, Freseniusstr. 31h, 81247 Munich CEO: Martin Verges - VAT-ID: DE310638492 Com. register: Amtsgericht Munich HRB 231263 Web: https://croit.io YouTube: https://goo.gl/PGE1Bx Am Do., 24. Okt. 2019 um 21:09 Uhr schrieb Hermann Himmelbauer <hermann@xxxxxxx<mailto:hermann@xxxxxxx>>: Hi, I am running a nice ceph (proxmox 4 / debian-8 / ceph 0.94.3) cluster on 3 nodes (supermicro X8DTT-HIBQF), 2 OSD each (2TB SATA harddisks), interconnected via Infiniband 40. Problem is that the ceph performance is quite bad (approx. 30MiB/s reading, 3-4 MiB/s writing ), so I thought about plugging into each node a PCIe to NVMe/M.2 adapter and install SSD harddisks. The idea is to have a faster ceph storage and also some storage extension. The question is now which SSDs I should use. If I understand it right, not every SSD is suitable for ceph, as is denoted at the links below: https://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2014/10/10/ceph-how-to-test-if-your-ssd-is-suitable-as-a-journal-device/ or here: https://www.proxmox.com/en/downloads/item/proxmox-ve-ceph-benchmark In the first link, the Samsung SSD 950 PRO 512GB NVMe is listed as a fast SSD for ceph. As the 950 is not available anymore, I ordered a Samsung 970 1TB for testing, unfortunately, the "EVO" instead of PRO. Before equipping all nodes with these SSDs, I did some tests with "fio" as recommended, e.g. like this: fio --filename=/dev/DEVICE --direct=1 --sync=1 --rw=write --bs=4k --numjobs=1 --iodepth=1 --runtime=60 --time_based --group_reporting --name=journal-test The results are as the following: ----------------------- 1) Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 mit PCIe Adapter Jobs: 1: read : io=26706MB, bw=445MiB/s, iops=113945, runt= 60001msec write: io=252576KB, bw=4.1MiB/s, iops=1052, runt= 60001msec Jobs: 4: read : io=21805MB, bw=432.7MiB/s, iops=93034, runt= 60001msec write: io=422204KB, bw=6.8MiB/s, iops=1759, runt= 60002msec Jobs: 10: read : io=26921MB, bw=448MiB/s, iops=114859, runt= 60001msec write: io=435644KB, bw=7MiB/s, iops=1815, runt= 60004msec ----------------------- So the read speed is impressive, but the write speed is really bad. Therefore I ordered the Samsung 970 PRO (1TB) as it has faster NAND chips (MLC instead of TLC). The results are, however even worse for writing: ----------------------- Samsung 970 PRO NVMe M.2 mit PCIe Adapter Jobs: 1: read : io=15570MB, bw=259.4MiB/s, iops=66430, runt= 60001msec write: io=199436KB, bw=3.2MiB/s, iops=830, runt= 60001msec Jobs: 4: read : io=48982MB, bw=816.3MiB/s, iops=208986, runt= 60001msec write: io=327800KB, bw=5.3MiB/s, iops=1365, runt= 60002msec Jobs: 10: read : io=91753MB, bw=1529.3MiB/s, iops=391474, runt= 60001msec write: io=343368KB, bw=5.6MiB/s, iops=1430, runt= 60005msec ----------------------- I did some research and found out, that the "--sync" flag sets the flag "O_DSYNC" which seems to disable the SSD cache which leads to these horrid write speeds. It seems that this relates to the fact that the write cache is only not disabled for SSDs which implement some kind of battery buffer that guarantees a data flush to the flash in case of a powerloss. However, It seems impossible to find out which SSDs do have this powerloss protection, moreover, these enterprise SSDs are crazy expensive compared to the SSDs above - moreover it's unclear if powerloss protection is even available in the NVMe form factor. So building a 1 or 2 TB cluster seems not really affordable/viable. So, can please anyone give me hints what to do? Is it possible to ensure that the write cache is not disabled in some way (my server is situated in a data center, so there will probably never be loss of power). Or is the link above already outdated as newer ceph releases somehow deal with this problem? Or maybe a later Debian release (10) will handle the O_DSYNC flag differently? Perhaps I should simply invest in faster (and bigger) harddisks and forget the SSD-cluster idea? Thank you in advance for any help, Best Regards, Hermann -- hermann@xxxxxxx<mailto:hermann@xxxxxxx> PGP/GPG: 299893C7 (on keyservers) _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx<mailto:ceph-users@xxxxxxx> To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx<mailto:ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx> _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@xxxxxxx
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