Tim, Enabling the drive write cache is a recipe for disaster. In the event of a power interruption, you have in-flight data that is stored in the cache and uncommitted to the disk media itself. Being that the power is interrupted and the drive cache does not have a battery or supercap to keep it powered, you end up losing the data in the cache. Now, if this is just a single node and you have size=3 or a decent EC scheme in place, Ceph should be able to recover and keep going. However, if it is more than 1 node that loses power, you start running the risk of corrupting multiple or dare I say *all* copies of the data that was supposed to be written, with the result being data loss. This is why is it the standard practice to disable drive caches, not just with Ceph, but with any enterprise storage offering. In testing that I've done, using a battery backed cache on the RAID controller with each drive as it's own RAID-0 has positive performance results. This is something to try and see if you can regain some of the performance, but as always in storage, YMMV. David Byte Sr. Technology Strategist SCE Enterprise Linux SCE Enterprise Storage Alliances and SUSE Embedded dbyte@xxxxxxxx 918.528.4422 On 3/14/18, 2:43 PM, "ceph-users on behalf of Tim Bishop" <ceph-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of tim-lists@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I'm using Ceph on Ubuntu 16.04 on Dell R730xd servers. A recent [1] update to the PERC firmware disabled the disk write cache by default which made a noticable difference to the latency on my disks (spinning disks, not SSD) - by as much as a factor of 10. For reference their change list says: "Changes default value of drive cache for 6 Gbps SATA drive to disabled. This is to align with the industry for SATA drives. This may result in a performance degradation especially in non-Raid mode. You must perform an AC reboot to see existing configurations change." It's fairly straightforward to re-enable the cache either in the PERC BIOS, or by using hdparm, and doing so returns the latency back to what it was before. Checking the Ceph documentation I can see that older versions [2] recommended disabling the write cache for older kernels. But given I'm using a newer kernel, and there's no mention of this in the Luminous docs, is it safe to assume it's ok to enable the disk write cache now? If it makes a difference, I'm using a mixture of filestore and bluestore OSDs - migration is still ongoing. Thanks, Tim. [1] - https://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukdhs1/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=8WK8N [2] - http://docs.ceph.com/docs/jewel/rados/configuration/filesystem-recommendations/ -- Tim Bishop http://www.bishnet.net/tim/ PGP Key: 0x6C226B37FDF38D55 _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com