On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Alfredo Deza wrote: > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:09 AM, kefu chai <tchaikov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:37 AM, Sage Weil <sweil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> At CDM yesterday we talked about removing the ability to name your ceph > >> clusters. There are a number of hurtles that make it difficult to fully > >> get rid of this functionality, not the least of which is that some > >> (many?) deployed clusters make use of it. We decided that the most we can > >> do at this point is remove support for it in ceph-deploy and ceph-ansible > >> so that no new clusters or deployed nodes use it. > >> > >> The first PR in this effort: > >> > >> https://github.com/ceph/ceph-deploy/pull/441 > > > > okay, i am closing https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/18638 and > > http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/3253 > > This brings us to a limbo were we aren't supporting it in some places > but we do in some others. > > It was disabled for ceph-deploy, but ceph-ansible wants to support it > still (see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1459861 ) I still haven't seen a case where customer server names for *daemons* is needed. Only for client-side $cluster.conf info for connecting. > Sebastien argues that these reasons are strong enough to keep that support in: > > - Ceph cluster on demand with containers With kubernetes, the cluster will existin in a cluster namespace, and daemons live in containers, so inside the container hte cluster will be 'ceph'. > - Distributed compute nodes ? > - rbd-mirror integration as part of OSPd This is the client-side $cluster.conf for connecting to the remove cluster. > - Disaster scenario with OpenStack Cinder in OSPd Ditto. > The problem is that, as you can see with the ceph-disk PR just closed, > there are still other tools that have to implement the juggling of > custom cluster names > all over the place and they will hit some corner place where the > cluster name was not added and things will fail. > > Just recently ceph-volume hit one of these places: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1507943 > > Are we going to support custom cluster names? In what > context/scenarios are we going to allow it? It seems like we could drop this support in ceph-volume, unless someone can present a compelling reason to keep it? ... I'd almost want to go a step further and change /var/lib/ceph/$type/$cluster-$id/ to /var/lib/ceph/$type/$id In kubernetes, we're planning on bind mounting the host's /var/lib/ceph/$namespace/$type/$id to the container's /var/lib/ceph/$type/ceph-$id. It might be a good time to drop some of the awkward path names, though. Or is it useless churn? sage > > > > > >> > >> Background: > >> > >> The cluster name concept was added to allow multiple clusters to have > >> daemons coexist on the same host. At the type it was a hypothetical > >> requirement for a user that never actually made use of it, and the > >> support is kludgey: > >> > >> - default cluster name is 'ceph' > >> - default config is /etc/ceph/$cluster.conf, so that the normal > >> 'ceph.conf' still works > >> - daemon data paths include the cluster name, > >> /var/lib/ceph/osd/$cluster-$id > >> which is weird (but mostly people are used to it?) > >> - any cli command you want to touch a non-ceph cluster name > >> needs -C $name or --cluster $name passed to it. > >> > >> Also, as of jewel, > >> > >> - systemd only supports a single cluster per host, as defined by $CLUSTER > >> in /etc/{sysconfig,default}/ceph > >> > >> which you'll notice removes support for the original "requirement". > >> > >> Also note that you can get the same effect by specifying the config path > >> explicitly (-c /etc/ceph/foo.conf) along with the various options that > >> substitute $cluster in (e.g., osd_data=/var/lib/ceph/osd/$cluster-$id). > >> > >> > >> Crap preventing us from removing this entirely: > >> > >> - existing daemon directories for existing clusters > >> - various scripts parse the cluster name out of paths > >> > >> > >> Converting an existing cluster "foo" back to "ceph": > >> > >> - rename /etc/ceph/foo.conf -> ceph.conf > >> - rename /var/lib/ceph/*/foo-* -> /var/lib/ceph/*/ceph-* > >> - remove the CLUSTER=foo line in /etc/{default,sysconfig}/ceph > >> - reboot > >> > >> > >> Questions: > >> > >> - Does anybody on the list use a non-default cluster name? > >> - If so, do you have a reason not to switch back to 'ceph'? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> sage > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ceph-users mailing list > >> ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > Kefu Chai > > _______________________________________________ > > ceph-users mailing list > > ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com > > _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list ceph-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.ceph.com/listinfo.cgi/ceph-users-ceph.com
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