Re: Samsung pm863 / sm863 SSD info request

[Jan Schermer <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

There's a nice whitepaper about under-provisioning

everyone using SSDs should read it

http://www.sandisk.com/assets/docs/WP004_OverProvisioning_WhyHow_FINAL.pdf

But in reality I'd stick to the rated TBW/DWPD instead of guessing what the effect will be.

And in reality the drives either die young (manufacturing defect), randomly or all at once (firmware error) and if they survive those types of defects they are likely to go well beyond their stated TBW.

Some workloads are however much harder on the SSDs, especially those that have volatile cache. For example writing a 1B blocks synchronously will drain the reserves really fast while "host bytes written" remains extremely low.

Jan

On 25 Aug 2015, at 17:02, Дробышевский, Владимир <vlad@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Alexander,

  Samsung says that pm863 uses Samsung's "proprietary" 3-bit MLC V-NAND, and sm863 - 2-bit MLC V-NAND. But from endurance perspective these drives don't look as worth their money (except of some read-mostly cases).

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2015-08-25 18:35 GMT+05:00 Alexandre DERUMIER <aderumier@xxxxxxxxx>:

Hi,

If it was me, I'll just waiting a little to see real endurance of theses samsung drives,
because AFAIK, they use TLC memory (and I remember of all theses EVO drives TLC memory bugs)

But it seem that Dell use them is these new full flash array,
 http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/dell-ssd-3d-tlc-afa,1-2754.html,
so maybe they are quite ok.



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De: "Дробышевский, Владимир" <vlad@xxxxxxxxxx>
À: "Jan Schermer" <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Envoyé: Mardi 25 Août 2015 15:26:02
Objet: Re: Samsung pm863 / sm863 SSD info request

Jan, thanks for the opinion!

Do you think that 5.11 DWPD is terrible? For example, Intel S3610 has 3 DWPD or 5475 TBW (but for 5 years, of course).
For 1.6TB Intel S3610 it means ~$0.175 per TB written. For pm863 3.84TB the price per TB written will be ~$0.108. And more than twice capacity per drive bay ratio.

For sm863 1.84TB it's even better: $0.057 per TB written. Actually, it's better than for Intel S3710 1.2TB: $0.081 per TB written for Intel. But s3710 has better speed specs of course (the only problem that we have not enough CPU speed for such IOPS, I think).

I found Intel prices on http://google.com/shopping (the lowest ones) and the only one price I was able to find for Samsung - through "Where to Buy" on the Samsung website.
For Intel prices were:
s3610 1.6TB - $1530 ($0.96 per GB of capacity)
s3710 1.2TB - $1780 ($1.49 per GB)

For Samsung:
pm863 3.84TB - $2328 ($0.61 per GB)
sm863 1.92TB - $1324 ($0.69 per GB)

As far as I know these are retail products (they are listed on Samsung Business SSD section) but they aren't avaliable in my country and Support said nothing about timescales.

But I belive these SSDs will be avaliable in Europe and USA soon so I consider them as an alternative to Intel drives for the new cluster I'm working on. The only question is real speed.

Best regards,
Vladimir Drobyshevskiy

2015-08-25 16:56 GMT+05:00 Jan Schermer < jan@xxxxxxxxxxx > :


pm863 has terrible DWPD, I wouldn't even consider it.
sm863 is better and could be worthwile

But I think both of these are OEM-only. Or can you buy them in bulk somewhere?

Jan


> On 25 Aug 2015, at 12:18, Дробышевский, Владимир < vlad@xxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> For a few months I'm looking for any news about new VNAND Samsung sm863 \ pm863 SSDs. A couple of weeks ago it's finally appeared on the Samsung web-site. Final specs look very interesting:
>
> sm863: up to 1.92GB, 520 / 485 mb/s sequential read / write, 97k / 29k random IOPS, cas latency 100, warranty: 5 years and 12320 TBW, suggested retail price $1260 (1.92TB model)
>
> pm863: up to 3.84GB, 540 / 480 mb/s sequential read / write, 99k / 18k random IOPS, cas latency 170, warranty: 3 years and 5600 TBW, suggested retail price $2200 (3.84TB model)
>
> So I would like to ask: has anybody got it yet and did any tests (ceph tests preferably)?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best regards,
> Vladimir Drobyshevskiy
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