Re: CEPH cache layer. Very slow

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So, good, but price for 845 DC PRO 400 GB higher in about 2x times than intel S3500 240G (((

Any other models? (((

2015-08-13 15:45 GMT+03:00 Jan Schermer <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
I tested and can recommend the Samsung 845 DC PRO (make sure it is DC PRO and not just "PRO" or "DC EVO"!).
Those were very cheap but are out of stock at the moment (here).
Faster than Intels, cheaper, and slightly different technology (3D V-NAND) which IMO makes them superior without needing many tricks to do its job.

Jan

On 13 Aug 2015, at 14:40, Voloshanenko Igor <igor.voloshanenko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Tnx, Irek! Will try!

but another question to all, which SSD good enough for CEPH now?

I'm looking into S3500 240G (I have some S3500 120G which show great results. Around 8x times better than Samsung)

Possible you can give advice about other vendors/models with same or below price level as S3500 240G?

2015-08-13 12:11 GMT+03:00 Irek Fasikhov <malmyzh@xxxxxxxxx>:
Hi, Igor.
Try to roll the patch here:

P.S. I am no longer tracks changes in this direction(kernel), because we use already recommended SSD

С уважением, Фасихов Ирек Нургаязович
Моб.: +79229045757

2015-08-13 11:56 GMT+03:00 Voloshanenko Igor <igor.voloshanenko@xxxxxxxxx>:
So, after testing SSD (i wipe 1 SSD, and used it for tests)

root@ix-s2:~# sudo fio --filename=/dev/sda --direct=1 --sync=1 --rw=write --bs=4k --numjobs=1 --iodepth=1 --runtime=60 --time_based --gr[53/1800]
ting --name=journal-test
journal-test: (g=0): rw=write, bs=4K-4K/4K-4K/4K-4K, ioengine=sync, iodepth=1
fio-2.1.3
Starting 1 process
Jobs: 1 (f=1): [W] [100.0% done] [0KB/1152KB/0KB /s] [0/288/0 iops] [eta 00m:00s]
journal-test: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=2849460: Thu Aug 13 10:46:42 2015
  write: io=68972KB, bw=1149.6KB/s, iops=287, runt= 60001msec
    clat (msec): min=2, max=15, avg= 3.48, stdev= 1.08
     lat (msec): min=2, max=15, avg= 3.48, stdev= 1.08
    clat percentiles (usec):
     |  1.00th=[ 2704],  5.00th=[ 2800], 10.00th=[ 2864], 20.00th=[ 2928],
     | 30.00th=[ 3024], 40.00th=[ 3088], 50.00th=[ 3280], 60.00th=[ 3408],
     | 70.00th=[ 3504], 80.00th=[ 3728], 90.00th=[ 3856], 95.00th=[ 4016],
     | 99.00th=[ 9024], 99.50th=[ 9280], 99.90th=[ 9792], 99.95th=[10048],
     | 99.99th=[14912]
    bw (KB  /s): min= 1064, max= 1213, per=100.00%, avg=1150.07, stdev=34.31
    lat (msec) : 4=94.99%, 10=4.96%, 20=0.05%
  cpu          : usr=0.13%, sys=0.57%, ctx=17248, majf=0, minf=7
  IO depths    : 1=100.0%, 2=0.0%, 4=0.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, >=64=0.0%
     submit    : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.0%, >=64=0.0%
     complete  : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.0%, >=64=0.0%
     issued    : total=r=0/w=17243/d=0, short=r=0/w=0/d=0

Run status group 0 (all jobs):
  WRITE: io=68972KB, aggrb=1149KB/s, minb=1149KB/s, maxb=1149KB/s, mint=60001msec, maxt=60001msec

Disk stats (read/write):
  sda: ios=0/17224, merge=0/0, ticks=0/59584, in_queue=59576, util=99.30%

So, it's pain... SSD do only 287 iops on 4K... 1,1 MB/s

I try to change cache mode :
echo temporary write through > /sys/class/scsi_disk/2:0:0:0/cache_type
echo temporary write through > /sys/class/scsi_disk/3:0:0:0/cache_type

no luck, still same shit results, also i found this article:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/11/20/264 pointed to old very simple patch, which disable CMD_FLUSH

Has everybody better ideas, how to improve this? (or disable CMD_FLUSH without recompile kernel, i used ubuntu and 4.0.4 for now (4.x branch because SSD 850 Pro have issue with NCQ TRIM< and before 4.0.4 this exception was not included into libsata.c)

2015-08-12 19:17 GMT+03:00 Pieter Koorts <pieter.koorts@xxxxxx>:
Hi Igor

I suspect you have very much the same problem as me.


Basically Samsung drives (like many SATA SSD's) are very much hit and miss so you will need to test them like described here to see if they are any good. http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2014/10/10/ceph-how-to-test-if-your-ssd-is-suitable-as-a-journal-device/

To give you an idea my average performance went from 11MB/s (with Samsung SSD) to 30MB/s (without any SSD) on write performance. This is a very small cluster.

Pieter

On Aug 12, 2015, at 04:33 PM, Voloshanenko Igor <igor.voloshanenko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi all, we have setup CEPH cluster with 60 OSD (2 diff types) (5 nodes, 12 disks on each, 10 HDD, 2 SSD)

Also we cover this with custom crushmap with 2 root leaf

ID   WEIGHT  TYPE NAME              UP/DOWN REWEIGHT PRIMARY-AFFINITY
-100 5.00000 root ssd
-102 1.00000     host ix-s2-ssd
   2 1.00000         osd.2               up  1.00000          1.00000
   9 1.00000         osd.9               up  1.00000          1.00000
-103 1.00000     host ix-s3-ssd
   3 1.00000         osd.3               up  1.00000          1.00000
   7 1.00000         osd.7               up  1.00000          1.00000
-104 1.00000     host ix-s5-ssd
   1 1.00000         osd.1               up  1.00000          1.00000
   6 1.00000         osd.6               up  1.00000          1.00000
-105 1.00000     host ix-s6-ssd
   4 1.00000         osd.4               up  1.00000          1.00000
   8 1.00000         osd.8               up  1.00000          1.00000
-106 1.00000     host ix-s7-ssd
   0 1.00000         osd.0               up  1.00000          1.00000
   5 1.00000         osd.5               up  1.00000          1.00000
  -1 5.00000 root platter
  -2 1.00000     host ix-s2-platter
  13 1.00000         osd.13              up  1.00000          1.00000
  17 1.00000         osd.17              up  1.00000          1.00000
  21 1.00000         osd.21              up  1.00000          1.00000
  27 1.00000         osd.27              up  1.00000          1.00000
  32 1.00000         osd.32              up  1.00000          1.00000
  37 1.00000         osd.37              up  1.00000          1.00000
  44 1.00000         osd.44              up  1.00000          1.00000
  48 1.00000         osd.48              up  1.00000          1.00000
  55 1.00000         osd.55              up  1.00000          1.00000
  59 1.00000         osd.59              up  1.00000          1.00000
  -3 1.00000     host ix-s3-platter
  14 1.00000         osd.14              up  1.00000          1.00000
  18 1.00000         osd.18              up  1.00000          1.00000
  23 1.00000         osd.23              up  1.00000          1.00000
  28 1.00000         osd.28              up  1.00000          1.00000
  33 1.00000         osd.33              up  1.00000          1.00000
  39 1.00000         osd.39              up  1.00000          1.00000
  43 1.00000         osd.43              up  1.00000          1.00000
  47 1.00000         osd.47              up  1.00000          1.00000
  54 1.00000         osd.54              up  1.00000          1.00000
  58 1.00000         osd.58              up  1.00000          1.00000
  -4 1.00000     host ix-s5-platter
  11 1.00000         osd.11              up  1.00000          1.00000
  16 1.00000         osd.16              up  1.00000          1.00000
  22 1.00000         osd.22              up  1.00000          1.00000
  26 1.00000         osd.26              up  1.00000          1.00000
  31 1.00000         osd.31              up  1.00000          1.00000
  36 1.00000         osd.36              up  1.00000          1.00000
  41 1.00000         osd.41              up  1.00000          1.00000
  46 1.00000         osd.46              up  1.00000          1.00000
  51 1.00000         osd.51              up  1.00000          1.00000
  56 1.00000         osd.56              up  1.00000          1.00000
  -5 1.00000     host ix-s6-platter
  12 1.00000         osd.12              up  1.00000          1.00000
  19 1.00000         osd.19              up  1.00000          1.00000
 24 1.00000         osd.24              up  1.00000          1.00000
  29 1.00000         osd.29              up  1.00000          1.00000
  34 1.00000         osd.34              up  1.00000          1.00000
  38 1.00000         osd.38              up  1.00000          1.00000
  42 1.00000         osd.42              up  1.00000          1.00000
  50 1.00000         osd.50              up  1.00000          1.00000
  53 1.00000         osd.53              up  1.00000          1.00000
  57 1.00000         osd.57              up  1.00000          1.00000
  -6 1.00000     host ix-s7-platter
  10 1.00000         osd.10              up  1.00000          1.00000
  15 1.00000         osd.15              up  1.00000          1.00000
  20 1.00000         osd.20              up  1.00000          1.00000
  25 1.00000         osd.25              up  1.00000          1.00000
  30 1.00000         osd.30              up  1.00000          1.00000
  35 1.00000         osd.35              up  1.00000          1.00000
  40 1.00000         osd.40              up  1.00000          1.00000
  45 1.00000         osd.45              up  1.00000          1.00000
  49 1.00000         osd.49              up  1.00000          1.00000
  52 1.00000         osd.52              up  1.00000          1.00000


Then create 2 pools, 1 on HDD (platters), 1 on SSD/
and put SSD pul in from of HDD pool (cache tier)

now we receive very bad performance results from cluster.
Even with rados bench we received very unstable performance with even zero speed. So it's create very big issues for our clients.

I try to tune all possible values, including OSD, but still no luck.

Also very unbelievble situation, when i do 
ceph tell... bench on SSD OSD - i receive about 20MB/s
If for HDD - 67 MB/s...

I don;t understand why cache pools which consist of SSD works so bad... We used Samsung 850 Pro 256 Gb as SSDs

Can you guys give me advice please...

Also very idiotic thing, when i set cache-mode to forward and try to flush-evict all object (not all object evicted, some busy (locked on KVM sides). but now i receive quite stable results for rados bench

 Total time run:         30.275871
Total writes made:      2076
Write size:             4194304
Bandwidth (MB/sec):     274.278

Stddev Bandwidth:       75.1445
Max bandwidth (MB/sec): 368
Min bandwidth (MB/sec): 0
Average Latency:        0.232892
Stddev Latency:         0.240356
Max latency:            2.01436
Min latency:            0.0716344

Without zeros, etc...  So i don't understand how it's possible.

Also interesting thing, when i disable overlay for pool, rados bench become around 70MB/s as for ordinary HDD, but in same time rados bench for SSD pool, which not used anymore show same bad results...

So please, give me some direction to deeg...


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