Re: dropping old distros: el6, precise 12.04, debian wheezy?

Brian Kroth <bpkroth@xxxxxxxxx> · Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:18:26 -0500

That's good to hear.  Thanks for the heads up.  We're going to be 
getting another pile of hardware in the next couple of weeks and I'd 
prefer to not have to start with Wheezy just to have to move to Jessie a 
little bit later on.  As someone said earlier, OS rollouts take some care 
to do in large environments.  In the meantime I'll just keep refreshing 
http://ceph.com/debian/dists/ every couple of days :)

Cheers,
Brian

Alexandre DERUMIER <aderumier@xxxxxxxxx> 2015-07-31 09:21:
As I still haven't heard or seen about any upstream distros for Debian
Jessie (see also [1]),

Gitbuilder is already done for jessie

http://gitbuilder.ceph.com/ceph-deb-jessie-x86_64-basic/

@Sage : Don't known if something is blocking to release package officially ?

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De: "Brian Kroth" <bpkroth@xxxxxxxxx>
À: "Sage Weil" <sweil@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Envoyé: Jeudi 30 Juillet 2015 17:58:12
Objet: Re:  dropping old distros: el6, precise 12.04, debian wheezy?

Sage Weil <sweil@xxxxxxxxxx> 2015-07-30 06:54:
As time marches on it becomes increasingly difficult to maintain proper
builds and packages for older distros. For example, as we make the
systemd transition, maintaining the kludgey sysvinit and udev support for
centos6/rhel6 is a pain in the butt and eats up time and energy to
maintain and test that we could be spending doing more useful work.

"Dropping" them would mean:

- Ongoing development on master (and future versions like infernalis and
jewel) would not be tested on these distros.

- We would stop building upstream release packages on ceph.com for new
releases.

- We would probably continue building hammer and firefly packages for
future bugfix point releases.

- The downstream distros would probably continue to package them, but the
burden would be on them. For example, if Ubuntu wanted to ship Jewel on
precise 12.04, they could, but they'd probably need to futz with the
packaging and/or build environment to make it work.

So... given that, I'd like to gauge user interest in these old distros.
Specifically,

CentOS6 / RHEL6
Ubuntu precise 12.04
Debian wheezy

Would anyone miss them?

In particular, dropping these three would mean we could drop sysvinit
entirely and focus on systemd (and continue maintaining the existing
upstart files for just a bit longer). That would be a relief. (The
sysvinit files wouldn't go away in the source tree, but we wouldn't worry
about packaging and testing them properly.)

Thanks!
sage

As I still haven't heard or seen about any upstream distros for Debian
Jessie (see also [1]), I am still running Debian Wheezy and as that is
supposed to be supported for another ~4 years by Debian, it would be
very nice if there were at least stability and security fixes backported
for the upstream ceph package repositories for that platform.

Additionally, I'll note that I'm personally likely to continue to use
sysvinit so long as I still can, even when I am able to make the switch
to Jessie.

Thanks,
Brian

[1] <http://www.spinics.net/lists/ceph-users/msg19959.html>

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