Re: [RFC PATCH] ceph: disable updating the atime since cephfs won't maintain it

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On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 6:57 AM Jeff Layton <jlayton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 13:24 +0800, Xiubo Li wrote:
> > Since the cephFS makes no attempt to maintain atime, we shouldn't
> > try to update it in mmap and generic read cases and ignore updating
> > it in direct and sync read cases.
> >
> > And even we update it in mmap and generic read cases we will drop
> > it and won't sync it to MDS. And we are seeing the atime will be
> > updated and then dropped to the floor again and again.
> >
> > URL: https://lists.ceph.io/hyperkitty/list/ceph-users@xxxxxxx/thread/VSJM7T4CS5TDRFF6XFPIYMHP75K73PZ6/
> > Signed-off-by: Xiubo Li <xiubli@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > ---
> >  fs/ceph/addr.c  | 1 -
> >  fs/ceph/super.c | 1 +
> >  2 files changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/fs/ceph/addr.c b/fs/ceph/addr.c
> > index aa25bffd4823..02722ac86d73 100644
> > --- a/fs/ceph/addr.c
> > +++ b/fs/ceph/addr.c
> > @@ -1774,7 +1774,6 @@ int ceph_mmap(struct file *file, struct vm_area_struct *vma)
> >
> >       if (!mapping->a_ops->readpage)
> >               return -ENOEXEC;
> > -     file_accessed(file);
> >       vma->vm_ops = &ceph_vmops;
> >       return 0;
> >  }
> > diff --git a/fs/ceph/super.c b/fs/ceph/super.c
> > index e6987d295079..b73b4f75462c 100644
> > --- a/fs/ceph/super.c
> > +++ b/fs/ceph/super.c
> > @@ -1119,6 +1119,7 @@ static int ceph_set_super(struct super_block *s, struct fs_context *fc)
> >       s->s_time_gran = 1;
> >       s->s_time_min = 0;
> >       s->s_time_max = U32_MAX;
> > +     s->s_flags |= SB_NODIRATIME | SB_NOATIME;
> >
> >       ret = set_anon_super_fc(s, fc);
> >       if (ret != 0)
>
> (cc'ing Greg since he claimed this...)

Hmm? I don't think I've been in any atime discussions in years...

>
> I confess, I've never dug into the MDS code that should track atime, but
> I'm rather surprised that the MDS just drops those updates onto the
> floor.
>
> It's obviously updated when the mtime changes. The SETATTR operation
> allows the client to set the atime directly, and there is an "atime"
> slot in the cap structure that does get populated by the client. I guess
> though that it has never been 100% clear what cap the atime should be
> governed by so maybe it just always ignores that field?
>
> Anyway, I've no firm objection to this since no one in their right mind
> should use the atime anyway, but you may see some complaints if you just
> turn it off like this. There are some applications that use it.
> Hopefully no one is running those on ceph.
>
> It would be nice to document this somewhere as well -- maybe on the ceph
> POSIX conformance page?
>
>     https://docs.ceph.com/en/latest/cephfs/posix/
>
> --
> Jeff Layton <jlayton@xxxxxxxxxx>
>




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