On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:49 AM Jeff Layton <jlayton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 00:43 -0800, Gregory Farnum wrote: > > ...although in my current sleep-addled state, I'm actually not sure we > > need to add any permanent storage to the MDS to handle this case! We > > can probably just extend the front-end truncate op so that it can take > > a separate "real-truncate-size" and the logical file size, can't we? > > That would be one nice thing about the approach of #1. Truncating the > size downward is always done via an explicit SETATTR op (I think), so we > could just extend that with a new field for that tells the MDS where to > stop truncating. > > Note that regardless of the approach we choose, the client will still > need to do a read/modify/write on the edge block before we can really > treat the truncation as "done". I'm not yet sure whether that has any > bearing on the consistency/safety of the truncation process. Wait what? Let's talk more about that: I can't emphasize enough how much you really, *really* don't want to require clients to do a RMW to RADOS that is coordinated with MDS state changes that may modify the same objects. Isn't it enough for: 1) truncate op sets file size to new logical size, and truncate_size to end of crypto block 2) clients do rados reads until the end of the crypto block and throw away the data past the logical end-of-file when serving IO 3) clients can remove the old data on a write when they feel like it and then set truncate_size to the real file size The only tricky bit there is making sure the MDS respects the truncate_size everywhere it needs to, and doesn't inadvertently force it down to the file size when we don't want that happening. I do foresee one leak, which is how we handle probing for file size when a client with write caps disappears[2], but that's going to be the case no matter what solution we come up with unless we're willing to tolerate a two-phase commit. Which would be *awful*[1]. -Greg [1]: We're talking about needing to send a crypto-truncate to the MDS, have it withdraw all client caps, return a new "start your phase" message/state which grants read and write caps to the truncating client (which I have no idea how we'd do while a logical MDS write is happening), have the client do the RMW on the tail object and return its caps, commit the new file size, and then return the final op and re-issue caps — and handle cleaning up if the client fails at any point in that process. I guess if we did manage to jump through all those hoops, client failure recovery would be deterministic and accurate based on if the final object size was larger than or equal to the attempted new size... [2]: And now that I think about the implications of crypto some more, we can even fix this. Since crypto clients can never do rados append ops (and I don't think we can in the FS *anyway*?) we can just have all crypto-client writes include setting a "logical size" xattr on the rados object that the MDS can use when probing. We maybe should do that for everything, actually...
