On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Yonggang Liu wrote: > > In any case, the source of the offending message is > > > > 192.168.89.131:0/753148386 > > > > The large number at the end is just random. I'm guessing that's the > > kernel client mounting/trying to mount the file system. What kernel > > version, or version of the kernel module are you using? > > > Here's the kernel version of all my VMs: > mds0:~# uname -a > Linux mds0 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Oct 19 14:40:34 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux > > The mount command I was using is: > mount -t ceph mds0:/ /ceph > Do you mean the failure is due to the client kernel? Right. Where is the ceph kernel module coming from? Are you building from ceph-client-standalone.git, or some other source? If it's from -standalone.git, what commit are you on? (git rev-parse HEAD) sage > > > Thanks- > > sage > > > > Thank you! > > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Yonggang Liu wrote: > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Yonggang Liu <myidpt@xxxxxxxxx> > >> Date: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:32 PM > >> Subject: Re: mds port 6800 socket closed when accessing mount point > >> To: Sage Weil <sage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > >> > >> Hi Sage, > >> > >> Thank you very much for your reply. In your question, the PID 1978 is > >> not a running process; it is the PID Ceph considers the mds0 process > >> is using. But the real PID of mds0 was not that one (seem to be 1979). > >> I redid the process and gathered the results. I think I see a little > >> bit of the problem now. When I'm starting Ceph, the program prints out > >> the PIDs of the daemons running on each machine, but these PIDs are > >> not the exact PIDs of the real running daemons. > >> > >> I started the system and got the PID information: > >> mds0:~# /etc/init.d/ceph -a start > >> === mon.0 === > >> Starting Ceph mon0 on mds0... > >> ** WARNING: Ceph is still under heavy development, and is only suitable for ** > >> ** testing and review. Do not trust it with important data. ** > >> starting mon.0 rank 0 at 192.168.89.133:6789/0 mon_data /data/mon0 > >> fsid 9ff93f53-5e63-011c-4437-8e3f780cfcde > >> === mds.0 === > >> Starting Ceph mds0 on mds0... > >> ** WARNING: Ceph is still under heavy development, and is only suitable for ** > >> ** testing and review. Do not trust it with important data. ** > >> starting mds.0 at 0.0.0.0:6800/1824 > >> === osd.0 === > >> Starting Ceph osd0 on osd0... > >> ** WARNING: Ceph is still under heavy development, and is only suitable for ** > >> ** testing and review. Do not trust it with important data. ** > >> starting osd0 at 0.0.0.0:6800/1622 osd_data /data/osd0 /data/osd0/journal > >> === osd.1 === > >> Starting Ceph osd1 on osd1... > >> ** WARNING: Ceph is still under heavy development, and is only suitable for ** > >> ** testing and review. Do not trust it with important data. ** > >> starting osd1 at 0.0.0.0:6800/1616 osd_data /data/osd1 /data/osd1/journal > >> > >> So from the print, the PIDs known by Ceph are: > >> moon.0 0 > >> mds.0 1824 > >> osd.0 1622 > >> osd.1 1616 > >> > >> But I checked the PIDs by using "ps uax | grep ceph" on the 3 > >> machines, I got this: > >> On mds0: > >> root 1792 1.0 1.2 46412 3260 ? S<sl 20:14 0:07 > >> /usr/bin/cmon -i 0 -c /etc/ceph/ceph.conf > >> root 1825 28.3 1.2 72228 3076 ? S<sl 20:14 3:06 > >> /usr/bin/cmds -i 0 -c /etc/ceph/ceph.conf > >> On osd0: > >> root 1623 0.9 8.3 214820 21356 ? S<sl 20:07 0:01 > >> /usr/bin/cosd -i 0 -c /tmp/ceph.conf.1747 > >> On osd1: > >> root 1617 0.7 7.5 213780 19264 ? S<sl 20:07 0:01 > >> /usr/bin/cosd -i 1 -c /tmp/ceph.conf.1747 > >> (Note the second fields are the PIDs) > >> > >> Run "netstat -anp | grep 6800" on mds0, I got: > >> mds0:~# netstat -anp | grep 6800 > >> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6800 0.0.0.0:* > >> LISTEN 1825/cmds > >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:33216 192.168.89.135:6800 > >> ESTABLISHED 1825/cmds > >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:56908 192.168.89.134:6800 > >> ESTABLISHED 1825/cmds > >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6800 192.168.89.131:45334 > >> ESTABLISHED 1825/cmds > >> (I can see PID 1825 is taking care of the client - mds0 communication) > >> > >> At the end of file "mds.0.log", I saw the PID 1824: > >> 2010-10-27 20:57:45.537898 b35e4b70 failed to decode message of type > >> 784 v2: buffer::end_of_buffer > >> 2010-10-27 20:57:45.538652 b35e4b70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1824 >> > >> 192.168.89.131:0/753148386 pipe(0x9f43488 sd=-1 pgs=9 cs=7 l=0).fault > >> with nothing to send, going to standby > >> 2010-10-27 20:58:18.044950 b30fdb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1824 >> > >> 192.168.89.131:0/753148386 pipe(0x9f7cca8 sd=10 pgs=0 cs=0 l=0).accept > >> peer addr is really 192.168.89.131:0/753148386 (socket is > >> 192.168.89.131:45342/0) > >> 2010-10-27 20:58:18.045247 b30fdb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1824 >> > >> 192.168.89.131:0/753148386 pipe(0x9f7cca8 sd=10 pgs=0 cs=0 l=0).accept > >> connect_seq 7 vs existing 7 state 3 > >> 2010-10-27 20:58:18.053628 b30fdb70 failed to decode message of type > >> 784 v2: buffer::end_of_buffer > >> 2010-10-27 20:58:18.054824 b30fdb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1824 >> > >> 192.168.89.131:0/753148386 pipe(0x9f7cca8 sd=-1 pgs=10 cs=8 l=0).fault > >> initiating reconnect > >> > >> So this is strange. It seems the PIDs known by Ceph are not the real > >> PIDs of the processes. I don't know how this could happen. > >> > >> The version of the Ceph code is: > >> mds0:~# ceph --version > >> ceph version 0.22.1 (commit:7464f9688001aa89f9673ba14e6d075d0ee33541) > >> > >> Thank you very much! > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Sage Weil <sage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Yonggang Liu wrote: > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:56:23.332473 b352eb70 failed to decode message of type > >> >> 784 v4865: buffer::end_of_buffer > >> > > >> > This is the problem. Can you tell what 192.168.89.133:6800/1978 is? > >> > (That 1978 is a pid, btw.) It's probably a 'cfuse' I'm guessing? (The > >> > ceph daemons all start with 'c', but don't have 'ceph' in the name.) > >> > > >> > 784 is a client_caps message. The 'v4865' looks like an uninitialized > >> > variable to me, as it should be a small integer. > >> > > >> > Whatever daemon that is, can you run it with the '-v' argument to see > >> > exactly which version it is? > >> > > >> > Thanks! > >> > sage > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:56:23.332730 b352eb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1978 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 pipe(0x9fd0168 sd=-1 pgs=10 cs=8 > >> >> l=0).fault with nothing to send, going to standby > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:56:52.022573 b332cb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1978 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 pipe(0x9fd1720 sd=12 pgs=0 cs=0 > >> >> l=0).accept peer addr is really 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 (socket is > >> >> 192.168.89.131:41726/0) > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:56:52.022945 b332cb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1978 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 pipe(0x9fd1720 sd=12 pgs=0 cs=0 > >> >> l=0).accept connect_seq 8 vs existing 8 state 3 > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:56:52.025299 b332cb70 failed to decode message of type > >> >> 784 v4865: buffer::end_of_buffer > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:56:52.025569 b332cb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1978 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 pipe(0x9fd1720 sd=-1 pgs=11 cs=9 > >> >> l=0).fault with nothing to send, going to standby > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:57:48.106337 b362fb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1978 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 pipe(0x9fd07c0 sd=12 pgs=0 cs=0 > >> >> l=0).accept peer addr is really 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 (socket is > >> >> 192.168.89.131:41727/0) > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:57:48.106522 b362fb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1978 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 pipe(0x9fd07c0 sd=12 pgs=0 cs=0 > >> >> l=0).accept connect_seq 9 vs existing 9 state 3 > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:57:48.109498 b362fb70 failed to decode message of type > >> >> 784 v4865: buffer::end_of_buffer > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:57:48.109761 b362fb70 -- 192.168.89.133:6800/1978 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 pipe(0x9fd07c0 sd=-1 pgs=12 cs=10 > >> >> l=0).fault with nothing to send, going to standby > >> >> > >> >> On osd0 > >> >> osd.0.log: > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.470502 --- 1633 opened log /var/log/ceph/osd.0.log --- > >> >> ceph version 0.22.1 (commit:7464f9688001aa89f9673ba14e6d075d0ee33541) > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.485828 b72d38e0 filestore(/data/osd0) mkfs in /data/osd0 > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.486106 b72d38e0 filestore(/data/osd0) mkfs > >> >> removing old file fsid > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.516527 b72d38e0 filestore(/data/osd0) mkjournal > >> >> created journal on /journal > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.516734 b72d38e0 filestore(/data/osd0) mkfs done in > >> >> /data/osd0 > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.519606 b72d38e0 filestore(/data/osd0) mount did > >> >> NOT detect btrfs > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.519794 b72d38e0 filestore(/data/osd0) mount found snaps <> > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.548307 b5acfb70 FileStore::op_tp worker finish > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.548455 b52ceb70 FileStore::op_tp worker finish > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:01.548812 b72d38e0 journal close /journal > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:25.201288 --- 1656 opened log /var/log/ceph/osd.0.log --- > >> >> ceph version 0.22.1 (commit:7464f9688001aa89f9673ba14e6d075d0ee33541) > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:25.223381 b74508e0 filestore(/data/osd0) mount did > >> >> NOT detect btrfs > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:25.224253 b74508e0 filestore(/data/osd0) mount found snaps <> > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:25.225396 b74508e0 journal read_entry 4096 : seq 1 203 bytes > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:26.841749 abffeb70 -- 0.0.0.0:6801/1656 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.135:6801/1675 pipe(0x94ced18 sd=13 pgs=0 cs=0 l=0).connect > >> >> claims to be 0.0.0.0:6801/1675 not 192.168.89.135:6801/1675 - > >> >> presumably this is the same node! > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:56:04.219613 abaf9b70 -- 192.168.89.134:6800/1656 >> > >> >> 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 pipe(0x96463e0 sd=16 pgs=0 cs=0 > >> >> l=0).accept peer addr is really 192.168.89.131:0/1344076202 (socket is > >> >> 192.168.89.131:36746/0) > >> >> > >> >> On osd1 > >> >> osd.1.log: > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.752615 --- 1652 opened log /var/log/ceph/osd.1.log --- > >> >> ceph version 0.22.1 (commit:7464f9688001aa89f9673ba14e6d075d0ee33541) > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.766128 b73518e0 filestore(/data/osd1) mkfs in /data/osd1 > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.766658 b73518e0 filestore(/data/osd1) mkfs > >> >> removing old file fsid > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.796938 b73518e0 filestore(/data/osd1) mkjournal > >> >> created journal on /journal > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.797816 b73518e0 filestore(/data/osd1) mkfs done in > >> >> /data/osd1 > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.800957 b73518e0 filestore(/data/osd1) mount did > >> >> NOT detect btrfs > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.801087 b73518e0 filestore(/data/osd1) mount found snaps <> > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.832202 b534cb70 FileStore::op_tp worker finish > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.832504 b5b4db70 FileStore::op_tp worker finish > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:54:59.832723 b73518e0 journal close /journal > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:23.050042 --- 1675 opened log /var/log/ceph/osd.1.log --- > >> >> ceph version 0.22.1 (commit:7464f9688001aa89f9673ba14e6d075d0ee33541) > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:23.056671 b72e18e0 filestore(/data/osd1) mount did > >> >> NOT detect btrfs > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:23.056921 b72e18e0 filestore(/data/osd1) mount found snaps <> > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:23.057368 b72e18e0 journal read_entry 4096 : seq 1 203 bytes > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:23.207216 b12d4b70 osd1 2 map says i am down or have > >> >> a different address. switching to boot state. > >> >> 2010-10-27 15:55:23.207540 b12d4b70 log [WRN] : map e2 wrongly marked me down > >> >> > >> >> I noticed on osd1, the last two lines of osd.1.log are unusual, but > >> >> I'm not sure if they are the reason to the problem ... > >> >> > >> >> Thank you very much, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Colin McCabe <cmccabe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> >> > Hi Yonggang, > >> >> > > >> >> > Are all of the daemons still running? What is at the end of the logfiles? > >> >> > > >> >> > regards, > >> >> > Colin > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Yonggang Liu <myidpt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> >> >> Hello, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm totally new to Ceph. Last a few days I set up 4 VMs to run Ceph: > >> >> >> "mds0" for the metadata server and monitor, "osd0" and "osd1" for two > >> >> >> data servers, and "client" for the client machine. The VMs are running > >> >> >> Debian 5.0 with kernel 2.6.32-5-686 (Ceph module is enabled). > >> >> >> I followed "Building kernel client" and "Debian" from the wiki, and I > >> >> >> was able to start Ceph and mount Ceph at the client. But the problem > >> >> >> is, the mounted point always fail with an infinite response time > >> >> >> (after I mount Ceph for about 1 min or less). To illustrate it better, > >> >> >> I will show you the information I got on the client and mds0 machines: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> mds0 (192.168.89.133): > >> >> >> debian:~# mkcephfs -c /etc/ceph/ceph.conf --allhosts -v > >> >> >> (A lot of info) > >> >> >> debian:~# /etc/init.d/ceph -a start > >> >> >> (some info) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> client (192.168.89.131): > >> >> >> debian:~# mount -t ceph 192.168.89.133:/ /ceph > >> >> >> debian:~# cd /ceph > >> >> >> debian:/ceph# cp ~/app_ch.xls . > >> >> >> debian:/ceph# ls > >> >> >> (waiting for ever) > >> >> >> ^C > >> >> >> > >> >> >> After the failure I ran dmesg at the client side and got: > >> >> >> client (192.168.89.131): > >> >> >> debian:/ceph# dmesg -c > >> >> >> [ 636.664425] ceph: loaded (mon/mds/osd proto 15/32/24, osdmap 5/5 5/5) > >> >> >> [ 636.694973] ceph: client4100 fsid 423ad64c-bbf0-3011-bb47-36a89f8787c6 > >> >> >> [ 636.700716] ceph: mon0 192.168.89.133:6789 session established > >> >> >> [ 664.114551] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> [ 664.848722] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> [ 665.914923] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> [ 667.840396] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> [ 672.054106] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> [ 680.894531] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> [ 696.928496] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> [ 720.171754] ceph: mds0 caps stale > >> >> >> [ 728.999701] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> [ 794.640943] ceph: mds0 192.168.89.133:6800 socket closed > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Immediately after the failure, I ran netstat at mds0: > >> >> >> mds0 (192.168.89.133): > >> >> >> debian:~# netstat -anp > >> >> >> Active Internet connections (servers and established) > >> >> >> Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address > >> >> >> State PID/Program name > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6800 0.0.0.0:* > >> >> >> LISTEN 1889/cmds > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* > >> >> >> LISTEN 1529/sshd > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6789 0.0.0.0:* > >> >> >> LISTEN 1840/cmon > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6789 192.168.89.131:56855 > >> >> >> ESTABLISHED 1840/cmon > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:43647 192.168.89.133:6789 > >> >> >> ESTABLISHED 1889/cmds > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:22 192.168.89.1:58304 > >> >> >> ESTABLISHED 1530/0 > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:39826 192.168.89.134:6800 > >> >> >> ESTABLISHED 1889/cmds > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6789 192.168.89.134:41289 > >> >> >> ESTABLISHED 1840/cmon > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6800 192.168.89.131:52814 > >> >> >> TIME_WAIT - > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6789 192.168.89.135:41021 > >> >> >> ESTABLISHED 1840/cmon > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:42069 192.168.89.135:6800 > >> >> >> ESTABLISHED 1889/cmds > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6789 192.168.89.133:43647 > >> >> >> ESTABLISHED 1840/cmon > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6800 192.168.89.131:52815 > >> >> >> TIME_WAIT - > >> >> >> tcp 0 0 192.168.89.133:6800 192.168.89.131:52816 > >> >> >> TIME_WAIT - > >> >> >> tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* > >> >> >> LISTEN 1529/sshd > >> >> >> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:68 0.0.0.0:* > >> >> >> 1490/dhclient3 > >> >> >> Active UNIX domain sockets (servers and established) > >> >> >> Proto RefCnt Flags Type State I-Node PID/Program > >> >> >> name Path > >> >> >> unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 2972 546/udevd > >> >> >> @/org/kernel/udev/udevd > >> >> >> unix 4 [ ] DGRAM 5343 > >> >> >> 1358/rsyslogd /dev/log > >> >> >> unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 5662 1530/0 > >> >> >> unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 5486 1490/dhclient3 > >> >> >> debian:~# > >> >> >> debian:~# dmesg -c > >> >> >> debian:~# (nothing shows up) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I saw the port 6800 on the metadata server talking with the client is > >> >> >> on "TIME_WAIT" stage. That means the connection is closed. > >> >> >> This is the ceph.conf I have: > >> >> >> [global] > >> >> >> pid file = /var/run/ceph/$type.$id.pid > >> >> >> [mon] > >> >> >> mon data = /data/mon$id > >> >> >> mon subscribe interval = 6000 > >> >> >> mon osd down out interval = 6000 > >> >> >> [mon0] > >> >> >> host = mds0 > >> >> >> mon addr = 192.168.89.133:6789 > >> >> >> [mds] > >> >> >> mds session timeout = 6000 > >> >> >> mds session autoclose = 6000 > >> >> >> mds client lease = 6000 > >> >> >> keyring = /data/keyring.$name > >> >> >> [mds0] > >> >> >> host = mds0 > >> >> >> [osd] > >> >> >> sudo = true > >> >> >> osd data = /data/osd$id > >> >> >> osd journal = /journal > >> >> >> osd journal size = 1024 > >> >> >> filestore journal writeahead = true > >> >> >> [osd0] > >> >> >> host = osd0 > >> >> >> [osd1] > >> >> >> host = osd1 > >> >> >> [group everyone] > >> >> >> addr = 0.0.0.0/0 > >> >> >> [mount] > >> >> >> allow = %everyone > >> >> >> ;-----------------------------------end----------------------------------- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The Ceph version I was using is 0.22.1. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Can anyone help me to solve this problem? 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