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On 25/02/2021 16:54, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:


On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 10:07, J Martin Rushton <martinrushton56@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:martinrushton56@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:



    On 25/02/2021 14:49, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
     >
     >
     > On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 09:13, J Martin Rushton via CentOS
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     >
     >
     >
     >     On 25/02/2021 13:37, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
     >
     >     I was recently looking at Raymond's book "The Art of UNIX
    Programming"
     >     from 2003.  He, along with contributors Thompson (inventor of
    UNIX),
     >     Kernigham (C and AWK), Korn and others of that callibre, espouse
     >     creating "little tools" that do one job reliably and well.  The
     >     likes of
     >     Gnome or systemd certainly would never fit into this
    philosophy.  I
     >     really think we have lost a lot of maintainability and ease of
     >     management over the last 20 years as applications are
    stretched to do
     >     ever more.
     >
     >
     > Maybe but everytime someone says "I think these are too complex"
    they
     > then turn around and say "but I really need this to do this one more
     > thing." Also the complexity of tools is generational. The oldschool
     > 1970's Unix people were screaming that the 1980's software was too
     > complex because various flags had been added to central commands.
    The
     > 1980's people complained that even early Linux was too complex
    because
     > it had so much more software that depended on each other. And so
    forth.
     >
     > In the X11 world, there were as many people saying FVWM was way too
     > complex when twm was all you needed and it was making software
    too hard
     > to build. BUT could you get twm to work on our new monitor which
    has a
     > different view screen feature that made the fonts look like crap.
     >
     > The counter argument I heard from a 1970's Unix era person was
    "Software
     > gets more complicated over time as we find that more problems
    need to be
     > solved. You either keep up with it, or get out of software." He was
     > working in software until his death a short while ago in his 80's.
     >
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     > Stephen J Smoogen.
     >
    The irony being that moving to UNIX I had it drummed into me that the
    one tool-one job ethos was a great advance upon the rigidly defined and
    integrated monolith of VMS.  Oh, and that was in the 1990s.
-- J Martin Rushton MBCS


And everyone I worked with told me that Unix was a poor reinvention of TSX-11 where you could get real work done. But since VMS came out over a decade after Unix, I can't say Unix is an advance over VMS.

In any case this is devolving into the 4 Yorkshiremen skit so I am done here.

--
Stephen J Smoogen.

Oi! Lay off Yorkshiremen.  It'll only be envy that you weren't born one. :-)
--
J Martin Rushton MBCS
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