On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 at 07:50, Simon Matter <simon.matter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Am 06.01.21 um 03:01 schrieb Scott Robbins:
> >> On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 11:31:34PM +0000, Jamie Burchell wrote:
> >>> Off topic for sure, but it's a shame this has to be a manual process of
> >>> destroying and rebuilding every X years. Even Microsoft has gone the
> >>> Apple
> >>> way and just perpetually updates Windows 10 now.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure how it will go. Fedora now has a very good upgrade tool
> >> that
> >> has worked for me through a few versions. So, hopefully, RH, and CentOS
> >> will have one too, who knows, maybe in time to migrate to Stream-9.
> >>
> >
> > Fedora's package set is quite "stable". You can expect that a package is
> > in the next release. This is not so valid for EL. Deprecated packages
> > (ImageMagick in EL7 but not in EL8) make such upgrade path difficult ...
>
> It's anyway hard to understand how an enterprise grade Linux can be
> shipped without things like ImageMagick or Tomcat. For quite some time now
> it gives me the impression that we're not the targeted audience anymore.
>
>
The issue is that 'Enterprise' is an overloaded term without the nuance it
needs. In the 'small' enterprise you have a lot of use of ImageMagick and
TomCat. In the large enterprise of 100,000+ servers.. it isn't. As more of
the large enterprises moved into RHEL, the amount of usage for a lot of
'leaf' programs became rounding errors without enough usage to justify the
bug-fixing needed when compared to the load of bugfixing/enhancements/etc
in the 100k customers.
> That's really sad because the competitors still include such important
> software as first class citizens. Maybe our requirements are just too old
> school?
>
>
An additional problem is a generational one. We have a lot of programs
which do various things 'well' enough written 10-30 years ago, and we of a
certain age use them for the hammers to every nail problem. However, the
problems fleets of 100k systems have are more welding versus hammering. So
we are in a situation where we do need to retrain some of our hammers to be
rivet guns. There is also a similar industry problem that anything older
than 2 years ago is not sexy anymore because VC and investors aren't going
to dump money into it. [You see a similar issue in the various 'popular
mechanics' press that all homes in the next generation will only be built
with metal and hammers and wood are a thing of the past. What you see
instead is a wave of it and then a realization that you end up needing to
do a little of each.]
> Simon
>
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