Johnny,
You have been involved in CentOS for a long time. Would you mind
explaining the structure here. Do you work for Red hat full time on the
CentOS team? How many people are on that Team that were working on
CentOS? Is CentOS structured as a non-profit company with staff just
working on development of this distribution or is this just a group of
independent developers working on the same project? How many people are
working on active development of on the Red hat team / CentOS
Organization (if any)?
Thanks for your time.
Chris
On 12/18/2020 10:28 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/17/20 7:54 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote:
On 16.12.2020 22:50, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 12/15/20 9:59 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:41 PM Johnny Hughes <johnny@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
$250K is not even close. That is one employee, when you also take into
account unemployment insurance, HR, medical insurance etc. now multiply
that by 8. Now, outfit those 8 employees to work from home .. all over
the world, different countries, different laws.
I'm genuinely curious about something, and this is mostly academic
since it's probably the subject of proprietary discussions within
RedHat. Presumably, RedHat had a build pipeline for RHEL that worked
well for them, by supplying alpha/beta releases of point releases to
their customers and giving them time to "cook" before releasing those
point releases into production. Why would RedHat invest millions more
in buying the CentOS process just to have CentOS act as the beta?
Why did they change the development process of RHEL ..
Because they want to do the development in the community. The current
process of RHEL development is closed .. they want it to be open. It is
that simple.
I think Stream is also very usable as a distro. I think it will be just
as usable as CentOS Linux is now.
It's usable, as Fedora is certainly usable - in its separate use cases.
It's not bug-for-bug copy of current RHEL, so it's *not* as usable as
CentOS Linux was.
It is not a beta .. I keep saying that. Before a .0 release (the main,
or first, main reelase) is a beta. Point releases do not really need
betas .. certainly not open to anyone other than customers. Now CentOS
Stream is available all the time to everyone, customer or not. Once the
full infrastructure is in place, everyone (not just RHEL customers) can
provide feed back and bugs, do pull requests, etc.
Now please tell me whether Chris Wright was lying when saying the below
to ZDNet:
"To be exact, CentOS Stream is an upstream development platform for
ecosystem developers. It will be updated several times a day. This is
not a production operating system. It's purely a developer's distro."
It's purely a developer's distro. Shall I explain difference between a
developer's distro and the one suitable for production servers (a
rhetoric question)?
Of course he wasn't lying. The purpose of ANY CentOS release from a Red
Hat perspective, is as a developer release. Red Hat has never produced
CentOS to be used in production for any reason.
It is ALSO completely free to use however YOU want to use it. As is
CentOS Stream. If it meets your requirements, you can use it. Stream
is no different.
People who certify things, who certified CentOS Linux for things, are
free to evaluate and do that with CentOS Stream as well.
Is it ever going to be like it was before .. no. If that is a deal
breaker for you, OK. Then you can't use CentOS any longer. Great, if
you can't use it, then use something else.
All I can do is what I can do .. All you can do is what you can do.
What is absolutely not helpful is continued complaining. A decision
was made. It is implemented. CentOS Stream is CentOS Stream.
If you never want to use CentOS again .. great, don't use it. I can't
make people use CentOS if they don't want to.
What I will do is what I have been doing for the last 17 years .. I will
do the best job I can to make the things I can build for any version of
CentOS Linux (or Stream) the best they can be. If people can use them,
OK. If they can't OK.
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