On 30/10/2018 14:40, Simon Matter wrote:
>> On 30/10/2018 06:46, Simon Matter wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/18 1:55 AM, Simon Matter wrote:
>>>>> To me it seems like, if they are smart, they will try to push IBM
>>>>> POWER
>>>>> and RedHat Linux together to establish real competition in the
>>>>> hardware
>>>>> market again (and of course don't forget to keep Fedora/CentOS alive)!
>>>> Er, RHEL has been running on Power for a very long time. The fastest
>>>> supercomputer in the world is Power9 + RHEL.
>>> What I meant is that POWER could become a competitor for Intel/AMD based
>>> servers. We're now running AMD EPYC servers with 64Cores/128Threads and
>>> we
>>> didn't find any POWER system which could compete in this area.
>> As a matter of interest, did you look at IBM's own Power Systems (IBM
>> System i, AS/400, System p, as was)? They promote some of these models
>> as having very powerful processing capabilities but I wonder how they
>> compare in practice with Epyc or Xeon systems.
> I always had the impression that those IBM systems were priced in a
> different range from what we were interested in. And I know that I didn't
> find any price listed online when looking for POWER servers from IBM last
> time - and I know what that means :-)
Yup, I thought they'd be eye-wateringly expensive.
Nevertheless, they are just rackmount servers, much like the kinds of
x86-64 servers you can buy from Dell, Lenovo, HPE, Tyan, Gigabyte, etc.
Better CPUs and buses but otherwise quite similar.
> If they came back now with something like their deprecated X86 servers
> (Netfinity, System x) but on POWER, that could be interesting.
Haven't the IBM x86 servers gone to Lenovo now?
As far as I can see, IBM Power Systems *are* in effect what you are
looking for, i.e. a Power-based server to run Linux (or AIX or IBM i if
you prefer) -- well, that's how IBM would see it I think. They already
support Linux on Power Systems. But I don't think they are going to
undercut themselves, sadly.
--
Mark Rousell
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