Re: Scroll bar arrows missing and behaviour change

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Leroy Tennison wrote:
> From: CentOS <centos-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of mark
> <m.roth@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 10:11 AM
> Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>
>> On 10/12/18 8:40 AM, Leroy Tennison wrote:
>>
>>> And I thought it was a Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE desktop for those who
>>>  aren't familiar) thing!  Apparently it's a KDE thing.  I haven't
>>> experienced the scrollbar aspect (or maybe I just haven't done what
>>> you do) but my arrows are missing too.  I'm thinking this is a KDE
>>> Blasted
>>> Ugly Gotcha (BUG).  BTW, if you haven't already discovered it, if you
>>> position your cursor where the arrows used to be the "arrow
>>> functionality" still exists (if you can get the cursor position just
>>> right).  KDE now has invisible features...
>>
> <Rant tag added here>
>
>> In the past as programmers we were taught more wisdom than today's
>> "coders" have been: One of the rules of thumb was:
>>
>> Don't make any changes in [debugged] program unless they are absolutely
>>  necessary.
>>
>> On a similar note: who remembers netscape navigator (web browser)? It
>> was pleasantly not changing its appearance and UI (User Interface) for
>> ages. These days Firefox and thunderbird are being rushed with new
>> releases. "Releases" full of security holes (take a look at CentOS
>> update history: firefox security updates are the most often ones). As if
>>  they are aiming to beat everybody in version number (currently major
>> version in 50th-60th). But they can not beat Microsoft who has a
>> release:
>> Windows 2000.
>>
>>
> <mark's rant added into Veleri's>
> Oh, and they had to jump 40 numbers, to keep up with Google/Chrome,
> because....
>
> Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because... oh,
> that's right, they can sell more training. And the new UIs aren't as
> thought out, or TRIED OUT WITH END USERS as the old one was. and they
> don't care about some bugs... like t-bird "oh, you *can't* not want your
> email when you hit <reply all> in the list, saving to your sent folder
> isn't enough copies....
>>
>> </rant>
>> [no beginning of rant tag, as I'm not certain where to put it]
>
>> Right, like WinCrap, *have* to change the user interface, because...
>> oh, that's right, they can sell more training.
>
> And I thought it was to give the appearance of "new and improved" when
> very little had really changed.  (No rant here, just a statement of fact
> :-) :-) :-) ... )

Maybe we should creat a neologism for this: not improved, but "deproved",
possibly as an abbreviation for "disapproved of", or "deprecated".

     mark

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