On 10/27/2016 04:22 PM, Michael B Allen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Milos Blazevic <milos.blazevic@xxxxxx> wrote: >> I've seen the thread(s) you started on CentOS mailing list about Dell and ThinkPad >> laptops and running Centos on 'em. >> >> Not sure if you've seen my question, but I'm considering to purchase a laptop, run EL7 on it, and I'm weighing between the Thinkpad and Latitude, so: >> >> What was it to make you opt for E7470 over, say, Carbon X1? According to RedHat's Hardware compatility list Carbon models are certified, >> while none of the Dell's aren't. >> >> Also, have you given up on CentOS over Fedora? I'd love to hear how's CentOS 7 support for E7470 hardware. > > Hi Milos, > > The Thinkpad T series and Latitude are *very* similar computers. They > are both business "ultrabooks" with a 1600x1080 display option, nice > keyboards (not "chicklet" style), a trackpoint and trackpad and RJ-45 > builtin. > > I bought a Dell Latitude E7470 over the Lenovo for several reasons. > One is this comment which is worth mentioning again: > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Gordon Messmer > <gordon.messmer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> It's worth mentioning again that Dell is one of the companies doing the >> development for the bits that don't work, and that those drivers are often >> the ones that get Lenovo equipment going, too. Lenovo does not, to the best >> of my knowledge, do any Linux development. > > Another reason is that I have heard about people having problems with > Lenovo. Not just with software but with hardware malfunctions. I spoke > to someone on the phone that had hardware problems with their new > Thinkpad (although I suspect some of the problems could have been > misdiagnosis by the user). After describing how nice the E7470 they're > thinking about dumping their 1yo X250 and getting a Dell. > > As for the Carbon, that is a very different computer. The Carbon is an > ultralight / thin Macbook-like machine with Windows so I have no > advice for you there. > > I have not tried CentOS on the E7470 but I'm quite certain it would > not work because I have tried the latest Fedora Live which is about > 100 kernel revisions newer and even that doesn't completely work. > Specifically, if I plug in an external display it freezes. My feeling > is I need a newer display driver (and thus newer kernel). The only > other issue I noticed was that wireless didn't work but it seems more > like a glue issue and not necessarily a driver. Otherwise, suspend and > everything else worked near as I can tell which is actually pretty > impressive for a brand new machine. > > So, I am doing other things while this new E7470 ages like a fine > wine. Or maybe I'll loose patience and just install Fedora and try a > "vanilla" kernel package. Then maybe after a year or two CentOS 8 or > whatever will run on it and then I can just run steady for 4+ years > without getting pummeled by stupid updates and feature creep that you > get with Fedora and Ubuntu or whatever the latest hot distro is. > > The E7470 is obviously a laptop of choice for business people. And > that is the type of machine developers use. So chances of good > compatibility are very high. You just have to give it time. > > I was watching Daredevil season 1 and they use Latitudes that look > exactly like mine. And that was probably filmed in 2014. So the form > factor at least has been around for a while which is good. > Unfortunately I can't say the same thing about the show. We have a newer installer that has a newer kernel than the base CentOS-7 ISOs here, if anyone is having hardware detection / boot issues with the standerd ISOs: http://buildlogs.centos.org/centos/7/isos/x86_64/ The *-99.iso are the ones with the newer installers .. so these are the latest right now: http://buildlogs.centos.org/centos/7/isos/x86_64/CentOS-7-x86_64-DVD-1609-99.iso http://buildlogs.centos.org/centos/7/isos/x86_64/CentOS-7-x86_64-Minimal-1609-99.iso Thanks, Johnny Hughes
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