Please don't take this personal, as I respect and understand your help, and that of everyone else on this list. But I'm really not sure where you're going by talking of how I framed this discussion around permissions. Somehow you seem to be implying that I was looking for a particular kind of solution on my terms, or that to have asked about permissions in the first place was somehow a flawed approach. Before I we get too deep into a "you said, I said" debate, all I'm trying to say was that I would not, and I doubt most normal newbies, try to steer a thread in any direction, regardless of it's starting point. I have no particular preference for any kind of solution, other than ones that work, regardless of how the solution is reached. Whenever I come across a problem, I do my best to search the net for solutions so that I can hopefully answer them myself, or, failing that, to phrase my question in the most sensible way possible. I will always try to give my questions a context so that I am not just saying "it's not working, tell me what to do". That approach will always give my thread a starting framework. If there is a better approach to asking questions on this list, please let me know what that is. Dave