Op 12-dec.-2015 15:03 schreef Alice Wonder <alice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> I share some of the frustration with Fedora developers "not listening"
> but I don't share all of the frustration.
>
> As far as customizing CentOS / Fedora for server vs desktop vs laptop vs
> whatever, to me that is a moot issue.
>
> In the server environment you almost certainly are using a virtual
> machine, and to use a virtual machine you create an image. Set up the
> image how you want and be done with it, you can then deploy it thousands
> of times and it is set up the way you need it.
>
> I typically use the default image provided by Linode - it is a good
> image for a server, just remember to install the yum-cron package and
> enable the firewall.
>
> I was one of the systemd haters initially but now I don't have an issue
> with it. Yes it is different than what I learned, but once I stopped
> yelling at the kids to get off my damn lawn, it wasn't that hard to
> figure out what I needed to do to get systemd to work for me instead of
> me working against it.
>
> Gnome is the only place where I have serious issue with the direction
> Fedora is going. I loved Gnome 2 but hate Gnome 3 with a passion. I
> tried to love it, but I just can't.
>
> They took away my vertical scroll bars. I understand most people scroll
> with a mouse wheel, but it is really hard to do that from my T series
> thinkpads.
>
> The solution they gave me in the forums involved needing to write some
> CSS stuff - no gui checkbox, I had to create a CSS file.
>
> And even that didn't fully work, some applications still didn't have
> scroll bars. Apparently that's because they weren't "ported" to the
> newer gtk or something. But if that's the case, where adding the CSS
> won't bring the scroll thing back, then they shouldn't lose it.
>
> Fonts - they look horrible to me in Gnome 3 and no setting I could
> figure out made them look good.
>
> Graphics - moving stuff around the desktop really taxed my built-in
> video, what use to be smooth was often choppy, especially on my Thinkpad
> T410.
>
> Totem - for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to get it to not be
> full screen.
>
> Switched to mate and all those issues instantly went away.
>
> Gnome3 I think is an area where the Fedora developers are refusing to
> listen, but that isn't really an issue because they do package Mate and
> Mate is in EPEL so I can install it in CentOS and be done with it.
>
> But things like systemd, wireless drivers, etc. - there, I don't think
> there is a good argument because it is easy to set up a system and make
> an image that you then use as your base for creating new VMs for the server.
>
> As someone who uses CentOS on the desktop quite a bit, I am glad that
> RHEL / CentOS does pay attention to the needs of use desktop users.
>
> I use to use CentOS on the server and Fedora on the desktop, and then,
> RHEL/CentOS as a server OS made sense to me.
>
> But Fedora is too bleeding edge for my liking now, and CentOS is the
> Linux distribution I recommend for desktop use.
>
> So no, I don't think it should target servers at the expense of the
> desktop users.
>
> Just my two cents, don't mean to stir the pot, just giving my opinion.
Having 150 people using CentOS on the desktop, I couldn't agree more
Greetings, J. _______________________________________________
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