On Mon, February 2, 2015 5:31 pm, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 15:17 -0700, Warren Young wrote:
>
>
>> The answer is clear to me: general security principles. By the time EL8
>> comes out, weâ??ll have had ~3 years of warnings under EL7 that weak
>> passwords would not be tolerated, and theyâ??re finally disallowing
>> them. Good!
>>
>> (More like 6 years, actually, because EL6 gives a red warning bar for
>> weak passwords.)
>>
>> Letâ??s flip it around: whatâ??s your justification *for* weak
>> passwords?
>
>
> Wrong point. Wrong focus. Ultimately it is for the deployer (and the
> user if Root) to determine. To suggest otherwise is pure arrogance.
>
> M$ users do not own their machines. M$ does. M$ determines what they can
> do and what data M$ secretly collects on them, stores on the machine and
> prevents the user viewing. Seems like another move towards emulating M$.
>
> If testing then a one character password is very acceptable to me. Why
> should some arrogant nutter impose an arduous ultra secure password when
> a simple one character password will suffice ? Who knows the machine,
> the deploying environment and the circumstances better ? The user or
> some anonymous and arrogant nutter perhaps many thousands of miles (or
> kilometers) away ?
>
> Remember machines should be working for the convenience of Humanity -
> not for the convenience of anonymous nutters who know absolutely nothing
> about the user's work situation ! Generally having strong passwords is
> good however generalised circumstances should never be forced down the
> throats of loyal users. An English (as in England, Europe) saying is:-
>
> Rules were made for the guidance of wise men,
> but for the obedience of fools !
Yet, the "fools" are so inventive, they often find a way around rules.
Valeri
>
> If everyone is willing to donate USD 1, then perhaps we could lend him
> to M$ where security is so lax he could do some enormous good.
>
> No need to waffle Warren. You've lost this one :-)
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Paul.
> England, EU. Je suis Charlie.
>
>
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