On Sat, September 6, 2014 10:07 am, John R Pierce wrote: > On 9/6/2014 7:46 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> But that is exactly what I said: if the hardware was released and sold >> with this piece of crap BIOS, then you shouldn't be buying that junk in >> the first place. Or at least stop buying the crap made by_this_ >> manufacturer in a future. I'm still not convinced. Any better reasons? > > with that approach, you'd quickly find yourself with zero vendors left. No, I'm still buying Dell desktops. I gave up on their rackmount boxes (with Dell you don't have flexibility of choice of your preferred, say, RAID cards: step left, step right and you are shot ;-). I get rackmount ones assembled by small company (companies) and about 1/2 of cost of similar hardware from Dell. Those are for the most part based on Tyan barebones. And during last at least decade I never had a "must to" flash newer BIOS situation with any of those boxes. If I ever flashed new BIOS, it was only once before I put the box in production. Of course, I flashed BIOS of my laptop (after unsoldering EPROM, dumping original BIOS content, editing the darn thing with hex editor, flashing it on new EPROM chip, and then sticking it into socket I soldered to laptop system board in place of EPROM chip), but that is different. The World will not stop spinning if my laptop stays dead for a couple of days, or weeks or forever. Any of the servers. - its way different. Valeri > > > > -- > john r pierce 37N 122W > somewhere on the middle of the left coast > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@xxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@xxxxxxxxxx http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos