} } Ugh.. qmail. I'll refrain from spitting up too much hate about the DJB } way of doing things here and just say "it's a functional product, but } his way is not the right way" } } There are some excellent mail setup guides located at } http://www.hughesjr.com/content/category/1/14/30/Guides } } They're quite good, and cover everything from intial setup to webmail } to filtering. Well worth the read. } Jim Perrin thanks for input!!! having built many mailservers i will be ok in general yet what i am really looking for now is how is everyone here filtering "spam in languages other than English"... most of the spam i get is in Spanish. i am having a hard time finding it googling (other than Bayesian filters) and i just need some searching help or direction to find so i can study up please? and thing is, ummmm im willing to use sendmail yet i want my customers to be able to admin their own virtual mailservers with a web interface... what is everyone using there??? sendmail and ??? or qmail and ??? that is why i choose the www.qmailrocks.org system... i almost always use a command line interface yet i wont do that for clients less they get their own box rented or otherwise. i do appreciate the pointers Jim as i am not fully up to speed on a few of the newer sendmail etc configs and stuff... thanks again! thanks! - rh -- Robert Hanson - Abba Communications Computer & Internet Services (509) 624-7159 - www.abbacomm.net