[Somewhat off-topic, but I see this misinformation so often I'll reply for the archives.....] On 07/19/2013 01:01 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 7/19/2013 5:51 AM, Darr247 wrote: >> It should also be a 'true sine wave' output when running on battery. >> Many UPS units output a 'stepped approximation' (typically pulse >> width modulation), which some computer power supplies may not like. > virtually all PC and server power supplies now days are 'switchers', and > could care less what the input wave form looks like. they full wave > rectify the input voltage to DC, then chop it at 200Khz or so and run it > through a toroidal transformer to generate the various DC voltages. > > Uh, while it's true that switching supplies are the norm these days, it's also true that a square wave or even a modified sine input waveform, even if the same RMS voltage, will have a lower peak voltage that might be out of range of the input rectifier(s) in the power supply. Do the math; for a full square wave, V(rms) = V(peak) so a 120Vrms square wave has a peak voltage of 120V. In contrast, a sine wave with a peak voltage of 120V has a Vrms of only 84.8 volts. The input rectifiers, which work on peak voltage, when powered with a 120Vrms sinewave sees a peak voltage of 169.73 volts. Even power supplies that are rated 100-240Vrms aren't rated for peak voltages less than 141.42 volts. So a 120Vrms square wave has a peak voltage well below the tolerance for a typical 100-240Vrms rated power supply. This is the reason for modifed square wave UPS's, which get closer to the 169.73 peak voltage, but are loaded with odd-order harmonics that can play havoc with power-factor correction circuits in less-expensive but newer supplies. So the waveform does matter, and a sine-wave or multi-step modified sine wave UPS is more likely to work, even with less well-designed supplies (I would say cheaper, but I've seen expensive supplies balk at anything but a true sine wave). My standard example of this is the 90A 5V supply used in pairs in 3Com's CoreBuilder/CellPlex 7000 ATM switches. These were rather expensive and beefy supplies, but trying to power them with a modified sine UPS simply did not work, but a true sine UPS worked fine (and the glacial ATM PNNI reconvergence times when one or more of the five core switches went down for a short glitch wreaked havoc on our network!). I also have here in production an older high-end industrial PC with a redundant power supply made by Astec that would consistently drop out with an alarm under modified sine wave UPS power. It works fine with the APC SmartUPS PWM-derived sine wave. A Cisco 7609 I have here, with non-Astec supplies, also does not work well at all with anything but a true sinewave UPS. True-sine UPS's are desireable and even necessary for maximum compatibility, even with modern power supplies. _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@xxxxxxxxxx http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos