Brian: DON'T focus blame on "consultancy". The management style you lambaste is prevalent to the point of being pandemic. The problem is NOT lack of accountability, it is rather one of "to whom are we accountable?" My products are NOT reviewed by geeks, theorists, and techno-pedants. My products are accountable to testers who are accountable to marketing who are accountable to stock holders and well-drillers and factory owners. They want a profit product, not a perfect product. "Good, fast, cheap; pick two" says it well. --the *other* pedantic Brian-- Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (610)796-5838 >>> thebs413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 11/17/05 01:08PM >>> Peter Farrow <peter@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > running a consultancy business where time is money, tunring > it off and configuring as we always did before represents Consulting is why the IT infrastructure and security of this country has gone to crap. There is no accountability. There is only the pressure to complete things in unrealistic timeframes. Sound security policy has been put out-the-window by consulting, support non-sense, etc... You have to "tear it down" so you can "dumb it down" for people. And it happens in the most crucial of our nation's networks. Why? Consultants aren't accountable in most cases. And that's typically because the clients want it done now. ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated