[ Sorry, I can't bite my lip anymore. ] Craig White <craigwhite@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > The first 3 times you said essentially the same thing so > you must think that we're all so stupid you had to say it > again. Apparently I'm stupid too, because "firewalls just work" and aren't a good comparison in his eyes. Putting SELinux in "permissive" mode is like the default "allow all outgoing" in your firewall, which is the default of SOHO firewalls, which allows most everything to work. Red Hat Enteprise Linux is an _enterprise_ distro that is focused for at least the small-to-medium business (SMB), if not the federal agency or larger enterprise. So like a typical SMB or enterprise firewall which is configured with *DENY* all outgoing, RHEL is going to come with SELinux enabled. If you don't want that, then change the default to "permissive", just like you would if you had a SMB or enterprise firewall to allow everything out by default. Otherwise, consider a SOHO distro, just like you purchase a SOHO router. It's not about "broken," it's about who the is designed for. ;-> -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers)