On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, cornel panceac wrote:
> 2011/3/23 R P Herrold <herrold@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>> This comes and goes, and really there is no substitute for actually
>> 'doing' rather than
>> talking in the cloister
> as i see it, the problem is while the users expectation has grown, the work
> became harder.
ehhh? It has not gotten materially harder to build, if indeed
it has gotten harder at all. 4.9 sailed out (thanks, Johnny
-- also there was no new ISO set and anaconda to spin); 5.6
has some niggles which are being worked out in QA; and my
trial building of the 6 sources, INCLUDING A RE-WRITE of my
local autobuilder, took less than a week, for getting the
first pass done. I am not happy with the package build
scheduler (it is too naiive and not as efficient as I would
like it)
That said, I then rebuilt those sources 3 more rounds, to make
sure they are self-hosting and stabilized, BEFORE turning to
address trademark and branding issues. If a person were
inclined to see the process and get a flavor for doing rounds
of rebuilding to ensure convergance, rebuild gcc, or glicb
from an unpacked tarball, with the minimal shell tools
building environment for 'bootstrapping' into a new
environment
> so i believe the real question is: how can we help the
> CentOS project? how can we unload the developers so that
> they do more high level and/or creative things with less
> work?
I am substantially certain the archive of this list or the
-devel list contains suggesting identifying trade-marks that
leaked out of 'redhat-logos', and branding changes not
affirmatively required by the 'elide other's trademarks'
requirement; large numbers of bugs are never touched and
confirmed as reproduceable, or still viable; pushing fixes
upstream [we had an email inquiry today, wanting to help
extend CentOS to add a new national language that will not
occur here, but is a perfectly reasonable translation project
to push into Fedora so it eventually flows down here ... ]
It is perfectly reasonable to 'toil in the vinyards' of Fedora
to cause future CentOS versions to benefit from the effort
-- Russ herrold
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