On 02/21/2011 01:21 PM, John Hinton wrote:
> All,
>
> (and please do not turn this into the next long thread)
>
> We have a small team which volunteers their time to create the CentOS
> releases. They are pounded right now with getting that done... it is as
> simple as that. Each of us 'chose' to use CentOS and with that choice
> comes nothing more.
>
> Why are we complaining? To me, it is all very self-centered. Basically
> we're all complaining because we 'want' something. And yes, I'm on edge
> wanting something as well... but that is life with RedHat in general.
>
> Some of the suggestions made:
>
> 1. Send money. OK, so using a very loose or reapplied definition of a
> word... we want to 'prostitute' the CentOS team. In other words, if we
> send money we have the 'right' to gripe and press for rapid releases?
> Demand services?
>
> 2. Add more staff. As a small business owner, the very last thing you
> want to do is add more staff when you are in a slammed state. It takes
> all of the 'productive' workers time to train the new staff and output
> slows to a crawl.
>
> 3. Make any other number of 'helpful' suggestions. Well, I think by now
> the CentOS team knows better than us how this needs to be done based on
> infrastructure and team members. And even if they aren't doing it right,
> we don't get to make demands that it be done differently as this is how
> they have decided to do it. Remember, you chose CentOS based on how they
> operate. You can go away if you like.
>
> 4. Bringing up other distros that are ahead of CentOS. This just an
> attempt at indirect pressure on the CentOS team to get a competition
> going. Only the team gets to choose their competition. CentOS 'rates'
> how it rates and that is up to the CentOS team and their decisions. Some
> cheerleading might be welcomed, as long as it doesn't become an "I cheer
> for you therefore you owe me".
>
> 5. MOST IMPORTANT---- discussing this right now is the wrong time. The
> CentOS team needs to be focused on the builds. They need to 'feel good'.
> They do not need these distractions, complaints, suggestions, pressures
> and generally negative comments at this moment in time. If it really
> bothers you, save it for later and bring it up when things are back to
> normal loads. Perhaps some good will come out of it, but not now. I know
> that most mean well, but look inside of yourself and the rush is about
> something you want... and YOU chose a FREE distro, which just so happens
> to convert to the paid version very easily.
>
> 6,7,8,9 and 10 (fill in your own but keep them to yourself)
>
> If I were a member of the CentOS team right now, I'd likely be looking
> at the door. I positively would be needing to step back and take some
> time to myself to try to cool off and feel positive about what I'm
> doing. To me and from what I have heard from the CentOS team, very
> little of what is being said on the list is helping but instead is
> counterproductive at the moment. Obviously the team is 'reading' the
> list and 'obviously' some of us have pushed them further at a very high
> stress time, than they have ever been pushed before.
>
> You may also note that upstream was also 'very late' with these new
> releases. Could it be we are discovering why? (please don't try to
> answer that)
>
> Please please please... ease up, give them the time they need. Make
> notes for future conversations, but quit distracting them and making
> them feel bad. Or, write your scathing reply to a thread... get really
> down angry and in the dirt... then when you're done, just delete it.
>
> CentOS team,
>
> I do have just one suggestion (and I have no rights to ask this). It
> seems that the list goes quiet and waits for a while and then explodes a
> few days/weeks/months later with this banter. If you would consider a
> public release to this list, perhaps once per week during major releases
> with just some tidbit of how things are going, perhaps these threads
> wouldn't explode. With that would be the need for it to be an
> announcement or something that does not allow it to become a drawn out
> thread with hoards of perceived 'helpful' suggestions. I can't blame you
> for not doing this prior, as I'm sure it will fuel fires such as the one
> raging at the moment. Is there a way this could be done with a
> 'no-reply' setting or something?
>
> With Much Appreciation,
> John Hinton
It took me this long to catch the joke in the subject. :)
I'll pipe in to say "thanks!" for the CentOS team's work. I wish I was
in a position to assist myself. However, and I know this came up before,
if the CentOS team could setup a proper parent company (a not for profit
would be sufficient) then donations from corporate entities would be
much easier.
I understand that difficulties of hiring new blood, but certainly more
(powerful) development machines and the like might help. :)
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