On 10/9/2010 2:33 PM, Bill Campbell wrote: > On Fri, Oct 08, 2010, Les Mikesell wrote: >> On 10/8/10 5:55 PM, Warren Young wrote: > ... >>> Y'all may recall a different example: Word Perfect was also once offered >>> on Linux for about a year, then pulled. OpenOffice wasn't even around >>> at the time, so you can't blame competition. Corel had a near open >>> field to play in, and still couldn't make a buck. >> Did you ever try that product? Even free it wouldn't have been a win against >> Word on Windows - which was getting bundled on most new PCs at the time anyway. > Au contraire, In September 1997 when we installed our first Linux system in > a mission-critical position, it was in a law office as a file and print > server for a bunch of Windows machines. The office manager was bitching > mightily that their productivity dropped by about 50% when they were forced > to use MS-Word instead of WordPerfect. These were very good legal > secretaries who hated having to reach for a mouse to do anything, and loved > the ``Reveal Codes'' ability in WordPerfect. > > I had to laugh one day when I got a phone call where the caller's first > words were ``I want Reveal Codes''. Yes!!! Reveal Codes is one of the very best things in WordPerfect. (yes, I do have PerfectOffice installed, but I cannot rely on it as at any point in time a Windoze update might render it useless) As for Perfect Office, Quattro can run circles around Excel when it comes to huge data files. Quattro's formula builder is totally logical and 'easy' vs. the convoluted Excel counterpart. All you have to do is look at 'history'. WordPerfect and Netscape are two prime examples. WordPerfect was becoming the defacto standard. Anybody remember WordStar? Most colleges were using WP and from the schools, you leave using what you learned on. Suddenly, every new computer came with Microsoft Windows installed 'and' a free install of Microsoft Office. Slowly, everyone stopped 'paying for' WP. Duh.... Netscape, same deal... free MSIE. Aside from this, Microsoft seems to love to make changes that break other vendor's software. I can't imagine the frustrations they must feel living in this world. WordPerfect, Adobe and just about everyone has had problems due to some 'upgrade' that broke something in their software. Adobe DW CS3 has a seriously broken browse to directory problem right now and they don't plan to fix it. This occurred during one of the service pack updates. Yet it seems Adobe has bowed to the might MS. If you click on email this in Acrobat, it opens Outlook in spite of it not being set as the default on the system. Need a spell checker in certain high end CAD programs, you have to install MSOffice? Somehow, I get the feeling that everytime Microsoft chooses to do something, at the top of their list is this question. "How can this benefit more sales of Microsoft products and how can this negatively impact our perceived competition?" Anybody remember OS2? Yeah it worked for a while, then Microsoft made 'changes'. Even IBM couldn't devote the resources into chasing the moving target. Sort of the same with WordPerfect and still is. We used to have a great working method for opening MSOffice docs in WP. Mostly gone at the moment, but supposedly back again in the latest release, but how long will that work and at what point will we lose the ability leaving us in 'broken state' in terms of doing business? Or, just give in and switch to MSO. It doesn't take much for business owners to switch... right or wrong. And, the final most obvious point. In the real world of business, Perfect Office is pretty much dead. OpenOffice is not a viable solution any more than Perfect Office. Since Microsoft has won this war, what has happened? Has anybody looked at the new Microsoft Office 2010 Pro package, or for that matter all Office 2010 releases? There are no longer any 'Upgrade' packages. You are now forced to buy the full version package at full version pricing. So now MSO Pro 2010 is like $450. Yes, I do feel as though they have over the years slowly bent my back over to where they finally have me in 'the position'. Yes now I'm stuck with MSO 2007, which has the worst nav system ever created, but I had to have it to handle files coming in from customers if they were docx and so on. And now I suppose I'll be forced into 2010 for some reason I don't know yet, but to accommodate my clients who move to it. Meanwhile, I bet there is some 'new wonderful feature' that will prevent Perfect Office or Open Office from being able to open something created in some certain way in MSO 2010, although this is just my speculation. Thanks to CentOS, I am not being forced into this position with regards to our servers and hope to never be forced into installing a Winders server ever, ever ever.... I do admire Microsoft's business philosophy, although I don't condone such and I could not sleep at night if I operated using those methods. I never feel good when I buy any of their products as I feel I am just supporting the immoral. But yes, I am stuck using Winders, as much of the software I must run is only written for Windows. All I can say is GO Google and Android! We might yet again have an alternative? Cloud computing is going to have serious impacts on bloatware. We may have a new corner to round in the next decade. Did I ever mention I'm not really happy with Micro$oft? John Hinton _______________________________________________ CentOS mailing list CentOS@xxxxxxxxxx http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos