On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 17:54 -0400, Ed Clarke wrote: > So what is the bottom line? None of the common board makers such as > Asus, Iwill, Tyan, Supermicro and Gigabit make a "good" board? So > what should the poor server builder do? I never said they don't make a "good" board. I just said that they don't make "ideal" ones. I personally like the Tyan S2895 now that more and more PCIe x4 and x8 storage controllers are hitting the market. You don't have to use PCIe channels for video, and it already has a NIC on CPU #2. It's not much more than the S2892 at all. _Otherwise_, PCIe is _not_ a necessity on a server, especially if _all_ I/O is attached to CPU #0. You still have PCI-X channels. In fact, I would argue that you're not going to lose much at all by going with an older, $300 dual-Opteron mainboard that has an AMD8131 HyperTransport tunnel. *NOTE* that's "3" (AMD8131 = dual-PCI-X channels) not "5" (AMD8151 = AGP 3.0) nor "1" (AMD8111 = legacy PCI). So instead of working about the latest'n greatest Opteron mainboard, see if you an find a $300 dual-Opteron mainboard with the AMD8131 that supports dual-core. Heck, dual-core is probably over-rated unless you're really crunching a lot of data, because the memory channels are _not_ doubled. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is mathematically impossible for someone who makes more than you to be anything but richer than you. Any tax rate that penalizes them will also penalize you similarly (to those below you, and then below them). Linear algebra, let alone differential calculus or even ele- mentary concepts of limits, is mutually exclusive with US journalism. So forget even attempting to explain how tax cuts work. ;->