I've been reading back through the archives, really detailed, especially a select few people. And I promise, this is the last time I'm going to say this. I think CentOS stands great on itself, and you don't need to define many things is dislike of other distro. I know many of us (at least us Americans) like to put things in terms of "versus" as much as we can. And I am too verbose, too "I see good in everything" and support so many different flavors that there's always something to dislike about what I say. The sad this is that whenever someone comes in, and I try to explain where Fedora Core fits in, other people come back in and assert things on Fedora Core. I have shown how Fedora Core is built, just like Red Hat Linux before it. I have painstakenly _not_ put things in terms of "black'n white," but very detailed, very verbose statements. I don't do this because I'm defending any distro, but so people know what issues they will run into -- because it's not about choice of brand names (we already had that in the Windows world) -- but choice of the best technology how we can get it. It might be "animal farmish" but we're all standing on the shoulders of others, and I don't dare say who's better than another. In fact, because of my neutrality and wiliness to see things from different perspectives. IN A NUTSHELL ... If you re-read through my posts, all I'm doing is stating _positives_ of solutions. I'm giving _options_ for people and letting _them_ choose. Many people can see that, and they don't mind that. I think those people who remind me of this. But there are people who regularly see any positive statement I make as a negative to their agendas, for whatever reasons. There continues to be a revisionist history that people want to infer about one company, and my only mistake is to remind people of what I've said time and time again. And no, I'm not being "black'n white" -- I'm being positive from _all_ points. I'm not the one taking things so negatively, but showing the vantage points of the approach and technology, because they _do_ overlap. One thing you will never see me do is take something and not understand why. I strive to understand why, what it affects and how that affects things. Again, I have explained many things, Fedora Core, enough times now that I know the regulars are sick. But understand I am _not_ the only one in these threads, and some people seem to wait to point _until_ they come up -- and not bother to help people with other questions. They can't complain about me without being hypocrites in return. Now I experimented with only helping people off-list at the end of last week and over the weekend. I think I'll go back to that for the sanity of everyone on the list. But really, I hope people do go back and read what I've posted -- and the fact that I'm _always_ naming _positives_ of solutions, and _giving_choice_. I don't do this because I think I'm "better," I do it because I believe it's important to understand not only why, but how that affects everything else. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx http://thebs413.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The best things in life are NOT free - which is why life is easiest if you save all the bills until you can share them with the perfect woman