Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > If you can describe it in a task oriented step-by-step > approach you could just as easily script it so that no one > would ever have to do those steps again. Not always, with all the variables. > If you have a situation that fits the appliance-oriented > approach (an office or home with one server and one > internet connection) you might like the SME server from > http://www.contribs.org. > Administration is all through web forms and is task > oriented. I agree with you there for SOHOs/SMBs. Between IPCop and SME Server, you have 95% of your necessary functionality -- from an Internet security appliance that catches 95% of intrusions to a LAN server that serves 95% of your needs. > The next version will have Centos inside. I'd just rather > see something with similar concepts that could be added on > to a stock distribution like webmin instead of making > something completely different. Unlike webmin, it > maintains its own database to rebuild config files > and in many cases it combines concepts for simplicity. The problem is the "assumptions game." Great for SOHOs/SMBs, not so good for MBs to enterprises. > For example, if you create a 'group' you automatically get > an email distribution group and a unix permission group at > the same time. Or why not a full LDAP entry for that matter, with all services referencing it? I think that's where Fedora Directory Server is headed in terms of integration, which RHEL (and CentOS) will then follow -- hopefully in RHEL 5. > Likewise, you add an 'information bay' or ibay and get a > samba share, an ftp directory, and a web site all at the > same time. Again, such assumptions are great for SOHOs/SMBs, but not so good for MBs and enterprises. Once again, I don't think the problem is the format of the book, it's the content -- too much all-in-one. It was fine for UNIX, when most users were also sysadmins. But today the Linux desktop is more than what UNIX users were, while not always a sysadmin either. -- Bryan J. Smith | Sent from Yahoo Mail mailto:b.j.smith@xxxxxxxx | (please excuse any http://thebs413.blogspot.com/ | missing headers)