} ---- } I suspect that you have an aversion to actually looking at the web site } for the obvious answers... } } http://www.centos.org/modules/smartfaq/faq.php?faqid=31 } } Craig greetings, actually, YES i do have a aversion to actually "looking" at many a website under many circumstances... i try to go directly for the solution(s) to the "need". YET i do frequently check the mirrors and i cannot find such a beast in regards to CentOS 4.1 :-) i have been around long enough with CentOS that i was there when 3.X had such a beast and i am now in a position where i think it is best to see that in 4.X right now i am really into the CentOS DVD and desire the CentOS "Server" CD. i am not sure what the link you sent is in regards to??? sorry... doesn't compute. who is actually in process on making the Server CD now? :) thanks! kind regards, - rh -- Robert Hanson Abba Communications http://www.abbacomm.net